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Typhoon Ragasa Typhoon Ragasa (satellite image shown) affects Taiwan and the Philippines, leaving at least 25 people dead. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan sign an agreement to defend each other against attacks. American actor and filmmaker Robert Redford dies at the age of 89. In boxing, Terence Crawford defeats Canelo Álvarez, becoming undisputed champion in his third weight class. Ongoing: Gaza war (timeline · genocide) Russo-Ukrainian war timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: Enrique Molina Pico Agnes Gund Miguel Calderón Gómez Jairus Birech Robo Shankar Abdul Gani Bhat view — page history — related changes — edit

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September 26

Portal:Current events/2025 September 26

September 26, 2025 (2025-09-26) (Friday)

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September 25

Portal:Current events/2025 September 25

September 25, 2025 (2025-09-25) (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

• Gaza war
  • Israeli bombing of the Gaza Strip
    • At least 17 Palestinians, including 10 children and three women, are killed by Israeli airstrikes across the Gaza Strip. (AP)
  • Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Gaza war
    • Two Palestinian Islamic Jihad militants are shot and killed by Israeli soldiers during the siege of a house in Tammun in the occupied West Bank. (Al Jazeera)
• Red Sea crisis
  • September 2025 Israeli attacks in Yemen
    • In response to a drone attack the previous day that injured 50 Israeli civilians, the Israeli Air Force bombs Houthi targets in the Yemeni capital city of Sanaa. (Al Monitor)
    • The Houthis launch a ballistic missile at central Israel, which is intercepted. (The Times of Israel) (YNet)

Arts and culture

• Tattooing in South Korea
  • South Korea's National Assembly passes a law legalizing tattoo artistry by licensed non-medical professionals for the first time since a 1992 court ruling restricted the practice to doctors. (BBC News)

Business and economy

• China–United States relations, China–United States trade war
  • China issues sanctions on six American companies, including several in the underwater drone and satellite sectors. (AP)
• Ethiopia–Russia relations
  • Ethiopia and Russia sign an agreement on the construction of a nuclear power plant for Ethiopian Electric Power by Rosatom. (Anadolu Agency)

Disasters and accidents

• Six people are killed after a bus collides with a truck head-on in Sundergarh, Odisha, India. (The Hans India)
• Decomposed bodies of five suspected migrants are discovered in the Great Sand Sea south of Tobruk, Libya. (AP)

International relations

• Foreign relations of the Netherlands, Foreign relations of Uganda
  • The Netherlands and Uganda sign an agreement to establish a pilot transit hub in Uganda for rejected asylum seekers from nearby countries who cannot be directly returned from the Netherlands. (Reuters)
• France–Iran relations
  • France withdraws its case at the International Court of Justice accusing Iran of denying consular protection to two French citizens detained at Evin Prison in Tehran for more than three years. (Reuters)
• France–Mali relations, French military withdrawal from West Africa
  • The Malian junta declares an end to joint counterterrorism operations with the French military and expels five French embassy workers from the country, declaring them personae non gratae. (AP)
• Israel–Slovenia relations, International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Israeli leaders
  • The Slovenian government formally bans Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu from entering the country, linking the ban to the International Criminal Court arrest warrant out for Netanyahu. (AP)
• Moldova–Poland relations
  • Poland bars Moldovan politician Irina Vlah from entering its territory for five years for allegedly assisting Russian interference in Moldova's upcoming parliamentary election. (Reuters)

Law and crime

• 2025 Malagasy protests
  • Unrest erupts in Antananarivo, Madagascar, following power and water cuts in the capital city. Security forces impose an evening curfew. (AP)
• Alleged Libyan financing in the 2007 French presidential election
  • Former French president Nicolas Sarkozy is sentenced to 5 years in prison for criminal association, becoming the first former French president to be sentenced to prison. His former interior ministers Brice Hortefeux and Claude Guéant are sentenced to two years in prison and six years of house arrest respectively, convertible due to Guéant's health issues. (BBC News) (France 24)
• Ecuadorian security crisis
  • At least 17 people are killed in a prison riot in Esmeraldas, Ecuador. (Reuters)
• Flood control projects controversy in the Philippines
  • The Philippine Department of Justice and the National Bureau of Investigation file criminal graft and malversation charges against Senator Chiz Escudero, former senator Nancy Binay, and former House Speaker Martin Romualdez in connection with investigations into alleged corruption in flood control projects. (The Philippine Star)
• Two teenagers are killed and three others are injured and hospitalized in a school shooting in Sobral, Ceará, Brazil. (AFP via France 24) (AP)

Sports

• Brazilian professional skateboarder Sandro Dias breaks the records for the highest drop in ever and fastest speed reached on a standard skateboard after skating down a government building in Porto Alegre, Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil, at 70 meters-high. (Red Bull) (Transworld Skateboarding)

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RD: Lucian Mureșan

Article: Lucian Mureșan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Vatican News Romania tv.net
Credits:

• Nominated by Secretlondon (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Catholic cardinal from the Romanian Greek Catholic Church Secretlondon (talk) 20:25, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

RD/blurb George Smoot

Article: George Smoot (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  George Smoot (pictured) who won a Nobel prize for his work on cosmology, dies at the age of 80. (Post)
News source(s): APC
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Mike Peel (talk · give credit) and InfiniteSword (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The news media don't seem to have gotten hold of this yet but I suppose more obituaries will be coming. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:34, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

• Not ready major sourcing issues. I support an RD only once ready. 5.57.242.223 (talk) 16:41, 25 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support RD, Oppose Blurb: Article is fine enough, though some more in-line citations could be used in the larger paragraphs. Oppose blurb on principle.--The Robot Parade (talk) 18:17, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

What does "on principle" mean? There is precedent for "major figures" to be blurbed, though who qualifies for this is heavily debated. Natg 19 (talk) 18:44, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

Oppose RD on quality. Particularly some priority of info and reorg is needed, as appearing on a game show doesn't seem that much of an achievement to be in the second lede sentence. But obvious support the RD when fixed. Oppose blurb as the articles gives little reason to how he alone was a major figure. Simply being a laureate isn't sufficient, and while is research did help, there's nothing to consider that very transformative. Most of the impact are based on topics that benefitted from research, downstream, and not his work directly. Masem (t) 18:31, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

Removed game show from lede. Natg 19 (talk) 18:45, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support RD as article seems there quality-wise. Oppose blurb per Masem. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:35, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

Support RD, oppose blurb as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:19, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

Sarkozy sentence

Article: Nicolas Sarkozy (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former president of France Nicolas Sarkozy (pictured) is sentenced to five years in prison in relation to a corruption scandal. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Former president of France Nicolas Sarkozy (pictured) is sentenced to five years in prison in relation to alleged Libyan financing in the 2007 French presidential election.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Former president of France Nicolas Sarkozy (pictured) is convicted of corruption and sentenced to five years in prison
News source(s): BBC, The Guardian, Euronews
Credits:

• Nominated by Metaviva (talk · give credit)

 Metaviva (talk) 12:44, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support in principle, but the article is not ready. There's a brief update saying he was convicted, but the rest of the article is still in future tense, the lead refers to the outcome of a separate 2021 case not the 2025 one, there's no reaction to the outcome etc. This only just happened - we shouldn't rush to post an article that isn't ready yet. I expect it can be brought into decent shape in the next few hours. I've added an alt2 blurb - 'convicted to' doesn't make sense. Modest Genius ^talk 12:51, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

  Thanks for noticing my wording errors, it has been fixed. I agree the Libyan financing article has work to be done, but since this news just broke out, there's no immediate rush for publishing. Metaviva (talk) 12:59, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

Comment This is important world news but needs a bit more work. I certainly support in principle. Secretlondon (talk) 15:45, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

Support if ready per above statement. My support will be conditional if later on the article has been fixed enough as to be more than just brief updates SymphonyWizard72 (talk) 16:11, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

• Question Is the target article for this blurb Nicolas Sarkozy (as specified by nom) or Alleged Libyan financing in the 2007 French presidential election (target article in both blurbs)? 5.57.242.223 (talk) 16:27, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

  should be the latter. shane (talk) 17:27, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality per above - I'd also like to see the arrests/charges table in the Libyan financing article changed to prose. Support on notability, however - obviously significant moment in French history. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:33, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

Agree on Notability article NOT ready thus  Disagree on Quality. QalasQalas (talk) 19:40, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

September 24

Portal:Current events/2025 September 24

September 24, 2025 (2025-09-24) (Wednesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

• Middle Eastern crisis (2023–present)
  • Gaza war
    • Israeli bombing of the Gaza Strip
      • At least 85 Palestinians are killed by Israeli attacks in the Gaza Strip. (Al Jazeera)
  • Red Sea crisis
    • 22 people are injured, two seriously, after a drone launched by the Houthis strikes Eilat in southern Israel. (CNN)
• Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
  • Afghanistan–Pakistan border skirmishes
    • Thirteen Pakistani Taliban fighters are killed after a raid by security forces at a hideout in Dera Ismail Khan, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan, near the Durand Line. (AP)

Disasters and accidents

• 2025 Pacific typhoon season
  • Typhoon Ragasa
    • Filipino authorities conclude a search and rescue operation for the 13-man crew of fishing boat FB Jobhenz, which capsized in Santa Ana, Cagayan, Philippines, on Monday. Six crew members are rescued, with the remaining seven confirmed to have died. (Manila Bulletin)
    • The Hong Kong Observatory issues its highest typhoon warning, Signal No. 10, in the morning before downgrading it to Signal No. 8 at 4 pm. (Al Jazeera) (Macao News)
• 2025 Bangkok road collapse
  • A section of road collapses into an estimated 50 m (160 ft)-deep sinkhole in front of Vajira Hospital in Bangkok, Thailand, prompting road closures and evacuations of nearby buildings. No injuries and deaths are reported. (South China Morning Post) (The Straits Times)
• All 23 miners trapped for two days in a collapsed gold mine shaft in Segovia, Antioquia, Colombia, are rescued alive after receiving food, water, and oxygen through pipelines during the operation. (AFP via RTHK)
• Costa Rica closes its airspace for at least five hours after a power outage disables radar systems and disrupts hundreds of flights, before reopening after systems were restored. (Reuters)

International relations

• 2025 Allenby Bridge shooting, Israel–Jordan relations
  • Israel indefinitely closes the Allenby Bridge between Jordan and the West Bank days after reopening it following a shooting that killed two Israeli soldiers. (Reuters)
• Africa–United States relations
  • Mosotho commerce minister announces the United States's plan to extend the African Growth and Opportunity Act by one year following negotiations in Washington, D.C. (Reuters)
• Belarus–Poland relations
  • Poland reopens its border with Belarus after closing them during Russia-led military exercises, citing reduced security risks and economic considerations. (Reuters)
• France–United Kingdom relations, English Channel illegal migrant crossings
  • A family of three becomes the first group sent to the United Kingdom from France under the one in, one out policy that returns unauthorized Channel arrivals to France in exchange for vetted asylum-seekers. (AP)
• General debate of the eightieth session of the United Nations General Assembly
  • Syrian president Ahmed al-Sharaa becomes the first Syrian leader to address the United Nations General Assembly since Nureddin al-Atassi in 1967. (AP) (BBC News)
• Syria–Ukraine relations
  • Syria and Ukraine restore diplomatic relations as Presidents Ahmed al-Sharaa and Volodymyr Zelenskyy meet on the sidelines of the eightieth session of the United Nations General Assembly, following Ukraine's 2022 break in ties after Syria under the Assad regime recognized Russian-occupied territories. (Reuters)

Law and crime

• 2025 Dallas ICE facility shooting
  • A person is killed and two others are injured in a shooting at a United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility in Dallas, Texas, United States. The shooter is found dead on a nearby rooftop. (ABC News Australia) (CNN)
• Ladakh protests
  • At least four people are killed and more than 60 others are injured as protests held by demonstrators demanding statehood and the inclusion of Ladakh under the Sixth Schedule to the Constitution of India turn violent in Ladakh, India. The local Bharatiya Janata Party office and a vehicle are set on fire in an arson attack. (India Today)

Politics and elections

• 2025 Malawian general election
  • Former Malawian president Peter Mutharika is declared the winner of the presidential election, winning 57% of votes against the incumbent Lazarus Chakwera, who received 33%. (BBC News)

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RD: Sara Jane Moore

Article: Sara Jane Moore (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times, The Washington Post
Credits:

• Nominated by MidnightMayhem (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American woman who attempted to assassinate Gerald Ford in San Francisco in 1975. Article is B class and appears to be in good shape. MidnightMayhem (talk) 17:50, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support: Really well sourced, and has been featured in On this day twice including this year. Big support.--The Robot Parade (talk) 18:17, 25 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support Article quality is sufficient. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:18, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

(Ready) Malawi presidential election

Article: 2025 Malawian general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Peter Mutharika (pictured) is elected president of Malawi. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Former President Peter Mutharika (pictured) is declared winner of the Malawian presidential election.
News source(s): Reuters, New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Af265 (talk · give credit) and Borgenland (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Mutharika is elected to a second non-consecutive term as president, defeating incumbent Lazarus Chakwera. Article isn't terribly far off quality-wise, but still needs a bit of work, namely updating the infobox. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:59, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support CREditzWiki (Talk to me!!) 20:55, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support could be longer but looks like good quality to me. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 22:47, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support alt as the election was reportedly fraudulent. ArionStar (talk) 02:25, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

  @ArionStar It seems there were some reports of irregularities, but nothing to the scale of outright voter fraud; Chakwera himself has conceded. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:31, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support. ROY is WAR Talk! 06:50, 25 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support: Change of President in Malawi. --- Elios Peredhel (talk), 07:30, 25 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support No real issues. Basetornado (talk) 07:52, 25 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support: I am all for it. Kampolama(talk), 12:45, 25 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support original blurb. The article has a lot of WP:PROSELINE, but that doesn't disqualify it from posting. Quality is good enough. Modest Genius ^talk 12:54, 25 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support: No glaring issues Normalman101 (talk) 15:10, 25 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:55, 25 September 2025 (UTC)
• Not ready as it has some CN notes. I support when these have been dealt with 5.57.242.223 (talk) 16:33, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

  One CN note isn't a dealbreaker I'd say. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:54, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) Typhoon Ragasa

Article: Typhoon Ragasa (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Typhoon Ragasa (pictured) hits Taiwan, the Philippines, and other places, reported at least 14 deaths and 18 injuries. (Post)
News source(s): PTS TaiwanHK01
Credits:

• Nominated by Sinsyuan (talk · give credit)
• Created by Vida0007 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Fatal typhoon in 2025. God bless Hualien County! Sinsyuan✍️TW→GA 01:44, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

• Wait, lean support on notability We have historically posted other storms with comparable death tolls under 100: e.g. Cyclone Michaung, Typhoon Goni or Typhoon Meranti. However, the true scale and scope of Ragasa remains unclear. I lean towards support, but would prefer to wait until the full scope of the casualties as well as the impact on mainland China (particularly Hong Kong) becomes more clear. If on the other hand the current death toll/scale of impact does not rise and it remains fixed in terms of casualties and damages, it might be more comparable to Typhoon Lan for example, which we did not post. Flip^andFlopped ㋡ 02:27, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

Wait Similar to previous comment. Wait until it hits Hong Kong/Mainland China. As it stands, it's not super notable. If/when it hits Hong Kong/Mainland China, happy to support with associated areas added to the blurb. Basetornado (talk) 06:28, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

Wait but leaning towards support As the creator of the article, thank you for nominating this article, which I believe was because of the increasingly dire situation in Hualien County (which you mentioned), with at least 14 fatalities and 100+ missing as of this writing. The Philippines (my country) also suffered a beating from the most intense tropical cyclone of the year (so far); widespread damage has been reported in Northern Luzon. But for now, I think we should wait just a little bit to also take account Ragasa's effects in Mainland China, Hong Kong and Macau. The storm surge (as seen in videos from earlier today) has been significant, flooding several areas of HK and Macao; wouldn't be surprised if that would also be the case for other parts of South China, particularly Guangdong and quite possibly, Hainan. Vida0007 (talk) 09:31, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

• Wait, lean support Very likely to be an important ITN item if it makes landfall at high intensity in Mainland China, Taiwan or any other densely populated island nearby. That said, tropical cyclones are an increasingly common event across the Pacific every year, and several in the past few years have not made ITN on the basis that they have been insufficiently newsworthy for lacking significant casualties/damage, having low intensity or not making landfall in particular. Given roughly half of all cyclones do not result in any casualties at all and many of a lower intensity over open water go will entirely undetected, I am reluctant to quantify exactly what level of damage would make a cyclone suitable for ITN, but I do believe this one has caused enough to warrant ITN, given it made landfall on Panuitan Island in the Philippines already. I also note the blurb will invariably need updating prior to appearing in ITN as the infobox in the article itself already lists 28+ fatalities and 102+ injuries. Oppius Brutus 10:06, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

• Wait on quality, then Support. The Pearl River Delta luckily has avoided the worst of Ragasa, but the impacts for Taiwan (especially Hualien County), Hong Kong, and Macau need to be expanded upon in my opinion, if possible. Otherwise, Ragasa's death toll has unfortunately reached at least 25 and seems likely to rise; we additionally have impacts pending for Guangdong and possibly further inland regions of China. ArkHyena (she/they) 10:11, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support, has had major impacts on a wide region, I don't see any major quality issues at a glance. Toadspike [Talk] 11:09, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
• Wait for full impact. 5.57.242.223 (talk) 13:50, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
• Wait then Support. This is the most powerful typhoon this year. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 14:35, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

  Wait then support per above. Damage is still going. CREditzWiki (Talk to me!!) 14:49, 24 September 2025 (UTC)\

• Oppose - ITN has routinely demonstrated that even death counts as high as 30 with weather events aren't significant enough to blurb. Strong typhoon, but there's been numerous outlandish weather events that haven't been blurbed. No comment n the impacts; I'd like to at least wait till it's dissipated and the damage is solidified. ^EF⁵ 15:00, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose - Oh no, it's raining again Nfitz (talk) 22:15, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

Support currently over 20 deaths and 170 injuries with several dozen missing, and it still has more time as it travels towards Laos to cause more (though obviously has weakened). I know we don't want to post small scale weather events that leave small death tolls, nor routine weather issues that often kill many over a long duration of time (like floods in Asia) but this is reported to be the strongest storm recorded this year and the toll is already significant can't for a single event. Masem (t) 23:06, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

20 deaths in an Asian rainstorm is significant? That wasn't even local news when I used live there, when it wasn't even much more than the usual evening rain storm! Nfitz (talk) 05:54, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

This wasn't any common "rainstorm". It was a major typhoon / hurricane with damage to low lying regions. And where did you live where 20 deaths due to rain is the norm? Natg 19 (talk) 06:41, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

Support on notability, per many above; this more than clears the bar for a notable typhoon in my eyes, with its existing impacts already being high and possibly worsening in time. @EF5: in response to your comment, I want to bring up that !votes based on others are generally seen as "what about X" and two items that seem clearly identical on notability to some can be seen entirely different to others. Departure– (talk) 23:27, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

The entire essay WAX is embedded in is one I usually ignore when brought up, as it’s (obviously) an essay and has some terrible takes. Trust me, I would love to have more weather events at ITN, including this, but prior precedent (argh) has established that weather events need to be high-impact. ^EF⁵ 23:36, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

Precedent doesn't exist on ITN, as someone who's been here well over a year. I personally vote for events based on my standards of notability, past precedent be damned (usually), and I think that's the best way for anyone else to !vote - remember, ignore all rules if it means getting an event you think should be posted, posted. Departure– (talk) 23:40, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

We’ll just agree-to-disagree, then. Clearly my vote doesn’t mean much in the long run, as the vast majority are in support. ^EF⁵ 23:56, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

 Posted – robertsky (talk) 03:47, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

• Pull. For one, there was no obvious consensus to post this. Secondly, much like American school shootings, Asian storms that have a tragic but limited death toll happen all the time, and we don't post the school shootings unless they're exceptional. Why is this one different? Black Kite (talk) 17:20, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

  Pull Limited death toll. ArionStar (talk) 02:26, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

September 23

Portal:Current events/2025 September 23

September 23, 2025 (2025-09-23) (Tuesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

• Russian invasion of Ukraine
  • War crimes in the Russian invasion of Ukraine
    • The United Nations reports that Russian authorities subject civilian detainees in occupied Ukrainian territories to widespread torture, including sexual violence, while also documenting cases of ill-treatment of detainees held by Ukrainian authorities. (AFP via CNA)

Arts and culture

• Mexico–United States relations
  • The United States Federal Bureau of Investigation repatriates a centuries-old Spanish colonial map depicting the Camino Real de Tierra Adentro to Mexico's Secretariat of Culture after being recovered in Santa Fe, New Mexico. (AP)

Business and economy

• Economy of New Zealand
  • New Zealand introduces two new residency pathways for skilled workers and tradespeople to address labor shortages. (Reuters)
• Amazon announces that it will close all 19 of its Amazon Fresh stores in the United Kingdom after "a thorough evaluation of its business operations". (BBC News)

Disasters and accidents

• 2025 Pacific typhoon season
  • Typhoon Ragasa
    • At least 14 people are killed and 124 others are missing after a barrier lake in Hualien County, Taiwan, bursts during Ragasa, causing widespread flooding. (AFP via The Guardian)
    • Hong Kong International Airport suspends all passenger flights for 36 hours as Ragasa approaches. (Bloomberg News) (CNA)
• September 2025 Kolkata cloudburst
  • At least twelve people are killed during flash flooding in Kolkata, West Bengal, India. (Reuters)
• Four people, including Chinese architect Kongjian Yu, are killed when a Cessna 175 Skylark aircraft crashes in Aquidauana, Mato Grosso do Sul, Brazil. (Campo Grande News) (G1) (Reuters)

International relations

• Deportation in the second Trump administration, Foreign relations of Ghana
  • Eleven West African migrants deported from the United States to Ghana are subsequently sent to their home countries despite ongoing legal proceedings and concerns about potential persecution. (AP)
• Indonesia–European Union relations
  • Indonesia and the European Union sign a free trade agreement in Bali after over nine years of negotiations that will remove tariffs on bilateral trade while also opening investments in other sectors. (DW)
• Violations of non-combatant airspaces during the Russian invasion of Ukraine
  • Lithuania's parliament authorizes its military to shoot down any unauthorized drones in its airspace following recent Russian drones entering the country. Previously, only drones deemed armed or posing an imminent threat to critical state assets could be targeted. (Reuters)
• China announces it will no longer claim special and differential treatment benefits under current and future World Trade Organization agreements. (Reuters)

Law and crime

• 2025 British anti-immigration protests
  • An English magistrates' court sentences an Ethiopian asylum-seeker to 12 months in prison for sexually assaulting a woman and a 14-year-old girl, an incident that triggered nationwide protests over migration policies and the housing of asylum-seekers in hotels. (AP)
• Flood control projects controversy in the Philippines
  • The Philippine Department of Justice and the National Bureau of Investigation file criminal graft and malversation charges against senators Jinggoy Estrada and Joel Villanueva, representative Zaldy Co, former representative Mitch Cajayon-Uy, and two former public works officials in connection with investigations into alleged corruption in flood control projects with the Anti–Money Laundering Council freezing their assets. (Gulf News) (Rappler)
• Jaguar Land Rover cyberattack
  • British multinational car-maker Jaguar Land Rover announces the pause in vehicle production due to a cyberattack is to be extended until 1 October. (The Irish Times)
• Italy's Guardia di Finanza arrests five people and seizes €17 million (US$20 million) while dismantling a Syrian-led network that laundered drug-trafficking proceeds in France and Italy by converting cash into gold, in an investigation coordinated with the National Gendarmerie, Eurojust, and Europol. (Reuters)
• Singapore-based shipping line X-Press Feeders refuses to pay the US$1 billion in damages ordered by Sri Lanka's Supreme Court over pollution caused by the 2021 sinking of the X-Press Pearl, arguing the ruling violates international maritime liability conventions. (AFP via France 24)
• Trinidad and Tobago's high court blocks the extradition of former FIFA vice president Jack Warner to the United States, ruling that proceedings were invalid without a formal extradition treaty. (AP)
• Unification Church leader Hak Ja Han is arrested in Seoul, South Korea, as prosecutors investigate allegations that the church bribed former first lady Kim Keon Hee and lawmaker Kweon Seong-dong, both of whom face separate corruption charges. (AP)

Politics and elections

• Gaza war protests
  • September 2025 Italian general strike for Gaza
    • Thousands of people across Italy hold rallies and a general strike to protest against the Israeli occupation of the Gaza Strip and recent ground offensive into Gaza City. Dock workers at ports in Genoa, Livorno, Trieste, and Venice hold strikes, while protesters clash with police in Milan and 20,000 people march in Rome. (DW) (Le Monde)
• 2025 Malawian general election
  • Former Malawian president Peter Mutharika is projected to win the 2025 presidential election with more than 56% of the vote, according to unofficial tallies, while official results from the electoral commission show him leading incumbent Lazarus Chakwera. (Reuters)
• 2026 Ugandan general election
  • Uganda's Electoral Commission clears President Yoweri Museveni to run for reelection in 2026, a move that could extend his rule to nearly 50 years. (Reuters)

Science and technology

• Scientists in Argentina identify a new megaraptoran species, Joaquinraptor casali, from fossils in Patagonia, providing one of the most complete skeletons of its group. (AP)

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RD: Ziad Takieddine

Article: Ziad Takieddine (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): France Info
Credits:

• Nominated by Chaotic Enby (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Key player in the Libya affair. While the Financial Prosecutor's Office requested a six-year sentence for him, he died only two days before the Paris Criminal Court delivered its sentencing. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 19:39, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: Danny Thompson

Article: Danny Thompson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Loudersound, Metro, Guitar World
Credits:

• Nominated by Martinevans123 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English double bassist. Noted for his work with John Martyn and Richard Thompson. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:57, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: Rudi Johnson

Article: Rudi Johnson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN, NBC News, CBS Sports
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:788E:1132:B6D9:FDE1 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and The Robot Parade (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Running back for the Cincinnati Bengals. 240F:7A:6253:1:788E:1132:B6D9:FDE1 (talk) 04:46, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

• Weak oppose Early life section is uncited. Once sources are put in, ping me and I will change this to a support. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 10:42, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: I went ahead and updated the Early Life section, but I can find absolutely zero sources about his original name being "Berudi" or the Muhammad Ali nod. I give it a Weak Support for now but I'd personally really like a citation for that name origin.--The Robot Parade (talk) 14:20, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

(RD posted) RD/blurb: Claudia Cardinale

Article: Claudia Cardinale (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Actress Claudia Cardinale (pictured) dies at the age of 87. (Post)
News source(s): Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

• Nominated by Brandmeister (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Unfortunately Brandmeister^talk 21:32, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support RD, oppose blurb. Article is GA, so no issues on quality. Would not argue that Cardinale was an especially transformative artist to the point where a blurb would be warranted. Staraction (talk | contribs) 22:00, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

  Should clarify that I'm holding similar views to Masem; if the article describes her legacy & transformative effect on the industry, for instance, I'm willing to change my blurb vote. Staraction (talk | contribs) 22:42, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb Similar to Redford with the same level of vitality. The article is a GA and seems fine. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:12, 23 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb only due to lack of clarity of why she was a great figure, beyond the brief lede discussion. This is where there absolutely needs a legacy or impact section to summarize those and what's likely coming in from obits. Note that I am not dismissing any claims she might be a great figure but the article does not give a good convincing reason absent a significant section on this, which should be possible with sourcing from what I'm seeing (Andrews comparison to Redford is apt, but redford's article had such a section). Support RD as no quality issues. Masem (t) 22:23, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb. Got honorary Awards at both Berlinale and Venice. Pink Panther, Once Upon a Time in the West, Leopard, 8 1/2, all legendary films. BilboBeggins (talk) 22:20, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb. While I'm not a fan of death blurbs, she is an emblematic actress, on par with Redford, certainly. RIP Claudia Cardinale. Khuft (talk) 22:33, 23 September 2025 (UTC)
• Neutral on blurb. Based on "have I heard of her", I would vote oppose blurb, but unsure of her legacy. Seems like she left Hollywood in the late 60s, but not sure on her influence on Italian cinema. Looks well cited, so support RD. Natg 19 (talk) 00:34, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb because I'm not seeing the same amount of impact as Redford. She doesn't even have a legacy section. I could be convinced to change my mind, but I don't think she is important enough for a blurb. She seems closer to Terence Stamp than Redford. Like Masem, I could probably be convinced to change my vote by a well-written Legacy section. However, the quality is sufficient for RD. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:38, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Couldn't have said it better than Quicole did. -- Kicking222 (talk) 03:09, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb 'Transformative' even for Redford is arguable, there is simply no case to be made here. We do not go by appearance in popular films or name recall. Gotitbro (talk) 05:16, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb per above - in its current state, to put it bluntly, the article doesn’t demonstrate how or why she was a transformative figure. Support RD, though, as article quality is fine. The Kip ^(contribs) 05:57, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

Oppose blurb/Support RD For lack of better words, it looks like she was a fairly well known actress, but not transformative. Basetornado (talk) 06:32, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

• Posted RD No consensus for blurb. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 07:40, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb Hyperbolick (talk) 07:55, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
• Weak support blurb – Not the most impressive GA, but I like the full paragraph on her death and related tributes. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 14:24, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Not transformative, let's be realistic about this; and let's not make the Connie Francis error (or, for those of longer tenure, the Carrie Fisher error) again. Black Kite (talk) 14:33, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

  How exactly were those postings error--Clibenfoart (talk) 08:42, 25 September 2025 (UTC)s? — Knightoftheswords 15:37, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

  There is no significant sourced info that illustrates why they are great figures, and instead we're seeing editors handwavinhband using OR to establish this, like number of films or recordings or awards. If there was at least significant sourcing, as there was for Redford, that's a far better start to duscuss if someone was a major influence. Personally I'd prefer that to be in a legacy or impact section but that's not required as long as the sourcing is there directly supporting the major figure idea. Masem (t) 16:49, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

  As Masem says. Fisher was posted not because she was a transformative actress but because a lot of Wikipedia editors like Star Wars. Black Kite (talk) 18:11, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

  Did not know that Francis had been posted. I agree they were "errors" in the sense that they never should have been posted with the blurbs seting up a bad precedent whose fallout we still deal with. Gotitbro (talk) 16:17, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

  Could I get a male example of this kind of ITN "error"? ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:02, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

  Gustavo Gutiérrez? (I don't believe Francis was a mistake though). TVShowFan122 (talk) 18:24, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb per Basetornado. Modest Genius ^talk 16:45, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

Support blurb when legacy section added, good opportunity to get a GA on ITN, well-known and admired actress, front page news on Le Monde, The Guardian, USA Today, NYT, Wapo, CBC, the Telegraph, Reuters. Clearly influential, just that the article doesn't show it. I may add the legacy section on my own. — Knightoftheswords 17:37, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

• "Influential" and "transformative" are not synonyms. If we posted a blurb for every person that was "influential" in their field we'd be posting a lot more than we do now. For example, if "influential" was the definition I could make a case for Nicholas Grimshaw which is currently at RD and I'm sure there are many more that I'm not familiar with that could hit the same criteria. Black Kite (talk) 18:09, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb as not transformative. Agree with Black Kite above- being influential is not the same as transformative (which is a much higher standard). Joseph2302 (talk) 18:37, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

Oppose while tragic she is not influential as other actors. Rager7 (talk) 02:43, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

Support RD, Oppose blurb as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:37, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

Could she at least be placed longer at RD?: She was placed last in that list for some reason and is now already removed from RD. I'm sort of neutral on a blurb. I don't view her as quite as influental/transformative as Brigitte Bardot or Sophia Loren are, but she was a hugely famous star and it could be compensation for missing Delon last year. --Clibenfoart (talk) 08:42, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

I noticed that too and rolled my eyes. The good news is that it doesn't matter much because no-one pays much attention to RD. Cardinale got lots of views yesterday making her one of the top read articles. ITN had little to do with that as she got about four times the readership of Redford even though his picture continued to hog the limelight, giving him a run of an entire week! ITN makes it clear that famous men are fine but famous women are an "error". Who's making this call – why it's men, of course. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:53, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

I readded her. Two things happened is that after her RD was posted, another admin then mass added 5 more RDs after her, and also removed a 7th name from the list (as to put her last) due to the length of the RD line with those names. With the next more recent addition, that admin just did the usual "add top, roll off bottom" method that took her off. As the RD line is now taking 3 lines with just the current six names, there's plenty of room to add her back on.

Honest, we need to have better practice that assures an RD stays on the RD for at least 24hr, if that means pausing the addition of new RDs or trying to only add RD in daily batches (ala DYK). Masem (t) 12:07, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

Masem, I again must bring up: can we have timestamps for RDs? We tried this once a couple years ago, but there was a mini wheel war about it. Curbon7 (talk) 23:15, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

I've got a talk page discussion on how to resolve this already going. Masem (t) 23:35, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: David Hirst (journalist)

Article: David Hirst (journalist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The Middle East correspondent for The Guardian for four decades. Thriley (talk) 20:28, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose article isn't detailed enough and needs more sources, as the first citation doesn't look to verify the whole paragraph that it's cited for. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:39, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: Tumu Te Heuheu Tūkino VIII

Article: Tumu Te Heuheu Tūkino VIII (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RNZ 1 News
Credits:

• Nominated by Secretlondon (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: New Zealand Maori chief Secretlondon (talk) 16:49, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

Weak support Article is a bit short, but is well-sourced and of sufficient quality for RD. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:36, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

2025 Guinean constitutional referendum

Article: 2025 Guinean constitutional referendum (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Guineans vote in favor of a new country's constitution, replacing their current one proposed in 2020. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Guinea, a new constitution establishing a Senate and allowing President Doumbouya to seek re-election is approved in a referendum.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In Guinea, a new constitution is approved in a referendum.
News source(s): DW AP Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

 ArionStar (talk) 14:28, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support on notability given it’s a new constitution, but oppose on quality as the article is too short and mostly background. The Kip ^(contribs) 14:46, 23 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose The blurb and article lead fail to explain this is the scheme of a military dictator who is suppressing the opposition. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:07, 23 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality per above This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 18:13, 23 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support on notability and propose altblurb (feel free to delete the Senate, though it's an unusual body in African states, I think). Sadly oppose on quality at this stage - though the French version of the referendum article is very comprehensive, and could be used as source to expand the English article. Khuft (talk) 18:21, 23 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support An entirely new constitution setting up an entirely new legislature is clearly ITN notable, any alt blurbs can be proposed. I am fine with either blurb and the article looks good to go to me. Gotitbro (talk) 05:36, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. In principle a new constitution is significant enough for ITN, but the article is very bare bones. There are only two sentences explaining how the new constitution differs from the old one. What little text is in the article hints vaguely at boycotts, protests and unfair practices, but provides very little information on any of those. Readers are left with no idea of why the changes were being introduced, who did or didn't support them, what issues were, whether the vote was fair etc. The results in the table, text and infobox are inconsistent. The article needs major work before it could be posted. If this does reach a postable shape, I've added a simpler alt2 blurb. Modest Genius ^talk 15:31, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

Support Notable post–coup development, article is in sufficient state. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 17:06, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

Support It's a recent development in Guinean politics. Rager7 (talk) 02:39, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

Duterte charged with crimes against humanity by ICC

Article: Rodrigo Duterte (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The International Criminal Court charges former Philippines president Rodrigo Duterte with multiple counts of crimes against humanity. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: We did post his arrest and detainment at ICC back in March 2025. And while this is not a conviction, his lawyers are going to be arguing Duterte is too old/poor health to face trial, so whether those resolve into a trial is unclear. That all said, I'm not seeing any updates on his bio page or the arrest page for this, yet. Masem (t) 12:18, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

Update is at International Criminal Court investigation in the Philippines#Pre-trial proceedings; the prosecutors charged Duterte last July, but only released the redacted documents today. With the redactions, some surmise there could be more arrests, including sitting senators of the Philippines. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:24, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose, the idea is to post sentences, not mere charges. Cambalachero (talk) 14:09, 23 September 2025 (UTC)
• Weak support given the nom’s mentioned there’s a chance this doesn’t even go to trial, and I’d rather cover it somehow. The Kip ^(contribs) 14:11, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

  If the subject dies, then it can be nominated for RD. Cambalachero (talk) 17:14, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose We already posted this. If you want blow-by-blow coverage then that would be Ongoing. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:17, 23 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. We posted his arrest, and can do so if he's convicted. It's not necessary to blurb every legal step along the way. This isn't even the formal charging, it's the release of the supporting documents that justify the charge. Modest Genius ^talk 14:24, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

  As a point of order, this is a case where the charges were not publicly reported by the ICC nor the media when they were made, in which case this would not be stale, in comparison to the hypothetical case where the ICC did report the charges in July but no news sources reported on them until now, which I would agree would make it stake. Masem (t) 20:31, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

  Yes, I understood that the news of the exact charges isn't stale. I wasn't suggesting otherwise. My point is that this news is less impactful than it might first appear. The story isn't disqualified as stale, it just doesn't reach sufficiently high impact to justify an ITN blurb IMO. Modest Genius ^talk 14:35, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support: This is a major update on the Duterte case. However, it should be specified that he is only charged, not convicted. But this is newsworthy. --- Elios Peredhel (talk), 00:41, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose My initial impulse was to support, but I think Andrew and Modest Genius have it right here. It was sort of implicit in his arrest that he would later be charged. In my mind, they are functionally the same news item; this is just a procedural development flowing from the initial story that the ICC is pursuing a case against him, which we have in effect already posted. I would support later posting the results of his trial, if or when it occurs. Flip^andFlopped ㋡ 00:57, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose So, the indictment had already happened. Any later press release as such then is unsubstantial (and this may indeed be considered stale). On a general note, the Trump ITN postings did set up a bad BLPCRIME vio precedent. Even though convictions are ideally the only thing we should be posting, I can understand posting ICC arrest warrants as they receive head to head headline coverage but we shouldn't be going beyond those except for convictions. Gotitbro (talk) 05:11, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per Cambalachero. 5.57.242.223 (talk) 14:23, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Dickie Bird

Article: Dickie Bird (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News Sky News
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by ItsShandog (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Mark.s.shaw (talk · give credit), ChrisTheDude (talk · give credit) and The C of E (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Renowned English cricket umpire and former first-class cricketer. ItsShandog (talk) 11:25, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

Comment couple of citation needed. Information is still coming out, we don't yet have his actual date-of-death. Secretlondon (talk) 14:19, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

• Not ready. There's simply too much unreferenced material on his playing and umpiring careers. More citations & references are needed. Some of the text is also written in a very strange style, as if it's a century old, though that's a secondary consideration. Modest Genius ^talk 14:28, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

  Support good enough now. Modest Genius ^talk 11:59, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

• @Modest Genius: @Secretlondon: I have added some sourcing and dealt with the tags. Naturally I presume this takes me out of being able to !vote on it but I hope these edits help alleviate your concerns. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 11:25, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support meets WP:ITNQUALITY now. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:55, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support this is good now. Secretlondon (talk) 13:40, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support famous finger, immortalised in bronze by Graham Ibbeson. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:49, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 18:07, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

RD/Blurb: Abdulaziz Al Sheikh

Article: Abdulaziz Al Sheikh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia Abdulaziz Al Sheikh dies at the age of 84. (Post)
News source(s): Al-Arabiya, Khaleej Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Inu06 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Ainty Painty (talk) 09:03, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb – Not necessarily on significance (I wouldn't be an expert on this), but because the article is not of sufficient quality or depth to be a full front-page feature. In particular, the death is only described in a single short sentence, while this should really at least be a paragraph for a blurb. There is no information post-2016! RD is probably alright at its current state. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:40, 23 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose The article seems rather thin and unseemly as it's mainly devoted to the subject's wilder pronouncements such as calling for all churches to be destroyed and declaring that chess is bad. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:17, 23 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb No clear indication of why he was a major figure (simply being the Grand Mufti is not sufficient) and would need significant expansion to really get there. Support RD though as noted, there is probably more than could be written to improve the article Masem (t) 12:04, 23 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb not every RD needs blurb. Notable example here. CREditzWiki (Talk to me!!) 13:11, 23 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Important, but not the King. ArionStar (talk) 13:15, 23 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb per above. The Kip ^(contribs) 14:06, 23 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb per above and my general opposition to them This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 16:56, 23 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose RD for excessive WP:PROSELINE. All we have to evaluate is quality, and this is not quality. GreatCaesarsGhost 19:01, 23 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality Needs much better prose other than lists of fatwas issued by him. Noting that there is nothing in article from 2016 until his death, which clearly demonstrates this doesn't meet WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:42, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

Dadasaheb Phalke Award

Article: Mohanlal (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Mohanlal receives the Dadasaheb Phalke Award, India's highest accolade in the field of cinema, at the 71st National Film Awards. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Dadasaheb Phalke Award for Indian cinema is awarded to actor and filmmaker Mohanlal
News source(s): Variety, The Hindu
Credits:

• Nominated by 83.111.85.230 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: WP:ITNR#Film item; target article is GA and the award article is FA. 83.111.85.230 (talk) 11:30, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

• Articles are good, but there's no significant (prose) update to any of these articles. Ideally we would feature 71st National Film Awards, but that one's obviously not ready. Would be great if we can update Mohanlal's article in more detail so we can give it the front-page feature. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:50, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

  The ITNR is specifically the single award, and in such cases, the winner is generally the one we focus as the singular award page is usually just a list. It probably would be better if the award event was meant as the target at ITNR, with the recommended blurb to include this specific award, but that's a discussion better on the talk page. Masem (t) 12:21, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

• I've added an altblurb. Modest Genius ^talk 14:31, 23 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality as Mohanlal’s article doesn’t seem to mention it yet. Would like to see more prose on the film awards article as well, albeit that’s not the target. The Kip ^(contribs) 14:45, 23 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support: I've added a sentence to the Accolades section, in addition to what was already in the lead. There likely isn't much more to add in terms of prose here. The rest of the article is already in good shape. DeluxeVegan (talk) 15:36, 23 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support ITNR and the article bio hook looks pretty fine to me (haven't checked subpages like Mohanlal filmography, List of songs recorded by Mohanlal, List of awards and nominations received by Mohanlal but those don't count). Gotitbro (talk) 05:02, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

  71st National Film Awards is the correct target article, isn't it? ArionStar (talk) 14:18, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

  @ArionStar: Nope we haven't ever linked the specific edition of the awards AFAIK (we omit that entirely, see Masem's comment) and the hook has always been the person winning it, e.g. 2023, 2014, 2013. Gotitbro (talk) 17:39, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

  Maybe dual target articles? The event article is too good not to be featured. ArionStar (talk) 18:32, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

September 22

Portal:Current events/2025 September 22

September 22, 2025 (2025-09-22) (Monday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

• Gaza war
  • 2025 Gaza City offensive
    • At least 37 Palestinians are killed from Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip, including 30 in Gaza City. (Al Jazeera)
  • Gaza war hostage crisis
    • Hamas releases a video giving a sign of life for hostage Alon Ohel, who was kidnapped during the October 7 attacks. (The Times of Israel) (YNet)
• Russian invasion of Ukraine
  • Zaporizhzhia strikes, Attacks on civilians in the Russian invasion of Ukraine
    • Russian forces strike the city of Zaporizhzhia with at least ten glide bombs, killing three people and injuring two others. The overnight attack damages at least 15 apartment buildings and ten private homes in residential areas of the city. (Reuters)
• Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
  • A bomb explodes at a Pakistani Taliban compound in the Tirah Valley in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa during a raid, killing at least 24 people, including ten civilians and fourteen militants. (AP) (DW)

Arts and culture

• Disciplinary actions for commentary on the assassination of Charlie Kirk
  • Suspension of Jimmy Kimmel Live!
    • ABC parent company Disney announces that American late-night talk show Jimmy Kimmel Live! will begin airing again on Tuesday after it was "indefinitely suspended" last week following pressure from the Trump administration after host Jimmy Kimmel commented on slain right-wing political activist Charlie Kirk and his fanbase. (NPR)

Business and economy

• Stocks in Kenvue Inc. fall by 5% after the second Trump administration issues statements citing acetaminophen under their brand name Tylenol as a cause of autism. (Fortune)

Disasters and accidents

• 2024 European heatwaves
  • Nature Medicine publishes a report that Europe had over 62,700 heat-related deaths in 2024, with women and elderly people representing the largest part of the death toll. (MSN)
• 2025 Pacific typhoon season
  • Typhoon Ragasa makes landfall in Luzon, Philippines, killing at least three people and leaving six others missing, and triggering alerts and evacuation orders in nearby Hong Kong and southern China. (CNN) (News.az)
• Twenty-five miners are trapped about 80 metres (260 ft) underground after a gold mine collapses in Segovia, Antioquia, Colombia, with authorities confirming contact, stable health conditions, and ongoing rescue operations. (AFP via CTV News)

Health and environment

• 2020–2025 H5N1 outbreak
  • Poland reports an outbreak of highly pathogenic H5N1 avian influenza on poultry farms in Susz, Warmian–Masurian Voivodeship, where around 4,000 birds have died. (Reuters)
• Causes of autism
  • US President Donald Trump and HHS Sectretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. announce the U.S. Food and Drug Administration will advise doctors against recommending acetaminophen to pregnant women, alleging a link between the drug and autism. (CNN)
  • The U.S. Food and Drug Administration approves leucovorin for the treatment of cerebral folate deficiency, citing evidence that it can improve autistic features. (Reuters)

International relations

• International recognition of Palestine
  • Andorra, France, Luxembourg, Malta, Monaco, and San Marino formally recognize the State of Palestine as a sovereign state with full rights. (Reuters) (CNN)
• Israel–Singapore relations
  • Singapore announces targeted sanctions on leaders of Israeli settler groups, citing concerns over settlement expansion in the occupied Palestinian territories. (Reuters)
• Burkina Faso, Mali, and Niger (the Alliance of Sahel States) announce their withdrawal from the International Criminal Court, citing its ineffectiveness. (AFP via France 24)

Law and crime

• Ecuadorian conflict
  • Fourteen people are killed, including a guard, 14 others are injured and inmates escape during clashes between rival gangs at a jail in Machala, El Oro Province, Ecuador. (BBC News)
  • About 1,000 protestors attack and destroy most of a police station along with vehicles and the houses of officers in Otavalo, Imbabura Province, Ecuador. Two people are injured. (AP)
• International Criminal Court investigation in the Philippines
  • The International Criminal Court (ICC) charges former Philippine president Rodrigo Duterte with crimes against humanity for his alleged involvement in the killing of at least 76 people during his term as president and Davao City mayor. He was arrested in March under an ICC arrest warrant and is currently held in a detention facility in the Netherlands. (NPR) (BBC News)
• Executive orders in the second Trump presidency
  • U.S. president Donald Trump signs an executive order formally designating Antifa as a terrorist organization. (Reuters)
• Copenhagen Airport in Denmark and Oslo Airport in Norway are both closed and all flights are diverted after multiple "large drones" are sighted near the airports. It is unclear where the drones originated from or who is operating them. (BBC News) (Times Now)

Politics and elections

• 2025 Guinean constitutional referendum
  • Provisional results show that over 90% of voters in Guinea approve a constitutional change that permits members of the ruling junta to seek the presidency and extend term limits, amid opposition boycotts and criticism that the process consolidates military power. (AP)
• 2025 Moldovan parliamentary election
  • Moldovan police conduct 250 raids and detain 74 people as part of an investigation into an alleged Russia-supported plan to provoke unrest before the parliamentary election, with officials stating that suspects received training in Serbia while Russia denies involvement. (AP)
• Human rights in Egypt
  • Egyptian president Abdel Fattah el-Sisi grants a presidential pardon to activist Alaa Abd El-Fattah after he was detained in 2015 and re-arrested in 2019 for participating in unauthorized protests. Abd el-Fattah was expected to be released in September 2024 after his 5-year sentence ended but was continuously detained until now. (DW) (Reuters)
• Costa Rican president Rodrigo Chaves Robles survives a congressional vote to lift his immunity, falling short of the required majority, after prosecutors accused him of abuse of power in a corruption case. (AFP/BSS)

Sports

• 2025 Ballon d'Or
  • In association football, French player Ousmane Dembélé and Spanish player Aitana Bonmatí are awarded their first Ballon d'Or and third consecutive Ballon d'Or Féminin, respectively. (The Daily Jagran)
• 2025 CFL season
  • Canadian Football League (CFL) commissioner Stewart Johnston announces significant changes to the rules and playing field of the CFL, to take effect in starting in the 2026 and 2027 season, respectively. (TSN)

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RD: Shawn Clark

Article: Shawn Clark (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1], [2]
Credits:

• Nominated by CREditzWiki (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former head coach at Appalachian State, assistant in many other places. CREditzWiki (Talk to me!!) 00:35, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

• Needs more references. Natg 19 (talk) 19:20, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: Bobby Grier

Article: Bobby Grier (American football executive) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:20CB:7ABF:7BFD:E225 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sxg169 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former executive for the New England Patriots. 240F:7A:6253:1:20CB:7ABF:7BFD:E225 (talk) 22:13, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

Support Article is well-sourced and of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 22:55, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

Support per nom. CREditzWiki (Talk to me!!) 23:08, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Antifa designated by Trump as a Terrorist Organisation

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Article: Antifa (United States) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ U.S. president Donald Trump signs an executive order designating Antifa as a terrorist organization. (Post)
News source(s): The Detroit News POLITICO BBC KCRA
Credits:

• Nominated by Viva Nicolás (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: This would literally mean being anti-fascist means being a terrorist in the United States. Could be a signal for the start of a crackdown on left-wing political dissent in America. Viva Nicolás (talk) 14:01, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Just more Trump bluster (WP:NTRUMP) as the U.S. literally has no mechanisms for designating domestic groups as terrorist. I’d also argue we’ve nominated far more consequential/dangerous actions he’s undertaken that haven’t been posted, and to top it all off, your target article literally doesn’t exist. The Kip ^(contribs) 14:08, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

  Re: the last part of my comment, for future reference: the "executive order" link initially was a redlink to the exact EO itself, before being changed into the list of EOs article. The Kip ^(contribs) 15:51, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

• Strong oppose per the usual. ^EF⁵ 14:38, 23 September 2025 (UTC)
• Comment But one of the things a fascist would do is criminalise opposition to fascism. (Especially after using the assassination of one of their close cadre as a pretext.) Because anti-anti-fascist=fascist Viva Nicolás (talk) 15:03, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

  would do

  WP:CRYSTAL. The Kip ^(contribs) 15:11, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

  Comments should be based on article quality, ITN criteria, wikipedia policies, etc; not about us liking or not the news itself. Cambalachero (talk) 15:33, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

Support - aftermath of the very notable Charlie Kirk assasination, strong support as this is a very large group JaxsonR (talk) 14:59, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose as experts have pointed out, there is no actual anyifa organization and the legal ability to declare anything as a domestic terrorism group has no basis in law. There may be longer term impacts as it is expected this will be used to illegally imprison dissentent voices but until that actually happens it's just a claim without any teeth. Masem (t) 15:33, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

Oppose: as pointed, this is just a "Trump says..." news, and not the actual process used to designate organizations as terrorists. As far as the law is concerned, Antifa is not a terrorist organization. And the link to United States Department of State list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations seems to be inaccurate: to be listed there an organization must be a foreign one. I'm not sure which is the US process to designate national organizations as terrorists, but surely it is somewhere else. Also, I wouldn't bold the "executive order" article: it's just a redirect to List of executive orders in the second Trump presidency, and there it is just an entry in a table with zero context. Cambalachero (talk) 15:42, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose as this is not more or less notable than any of the other hundred executive orders Trump has signed so far in his second term. Khuft (talk) 18:24, 23 September 2025 (UTC)
• Strong oppose - OH WOW TRUMP DID THING!!! MUST ITN!!! LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 19:02, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

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September 21

Portal:Current events/2025 September 21

September 21, 2025 (2025-09-21) (Sunday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

• Gaza war
  • 2025 Gaza City offensive
    • At least 68 Palestinians are killed by Israeli attacks in the Gaza Strip, with 37 killed in Gaza City. (Al Jazeera) (Reuters)
• Israel–Hezbollah conflict
  • Five people are killed and two others injured in a Israeli drone strike on a vehicle in Bint Jbeil, Lebanon. (Al Jazeera)

International relations

• Afghanistan–United States relations
  • Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid says that Afghanistan will not cede control of Bagram Air Base to the United States following threats by US president Donald Trump, who warns of consequences if the Taliban does not release control of the base. (AP)
• International recognition of Palestine
  • Australia, Canada, Portugal, and the United Kingdom formally recognise the State of Palestine as a sovereign state, with Canada becoming the first G7 country to do so. (BBC News) (Reuters)

Law and crime

• LGBTQ rights in Pakistan
  • The bodies of three transgender women who were shot and killed are discovered in a local graveyard near Karachi, Pakistan. (DW)
• Nigerian police arrest six suspects after an ambush in Benue State kills eleven officers. (Reuters) (The Street Journal)

Politics and elections

• September 2025 Philippine protests, Flood control projects controversy in the Philippines
  • Trillion Peso March
    • Mass demonstrations are held across the Philippines to protest corruption in government flood control infrastructure projects. (AP) (Bloomberg News) (The Manila Times)
• 2025 Guinean constitutional referendum
  • Guineans vote on whether to replace their constitution, established in 2020, with a new one. (Reuters)
• Welfare in Peru, Peruvian political crisis
  • Thousands of people led by the "Generation Z" collective protest in Lima, Peru, against President Dina Boluarte and a controversial new law requiring young people to join a private pension fund. (TRT World) (Peoples Dispatch)

Science and technology

• Solar eclipse of September 21, 2025
  • A partial solar eclipse with an eclipse magnitude of 0.855 is visible in Antarctica and the South Pacific Ocean. New Zealand is mostly clouded out, preventing many sightings. (EclipseWise) (Space.com)

Sports

• In women's basketball, Las Vegas Aces player A'ja Wilson wins a historic fourth WNBA MVP award and the first ever consecutive win in the league's history after winning the award last season. (Las Vegas Sun) (Bleacher Report)

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RD: Roland Pidoux

Article: Roland Pidoux (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Strad
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Created by LouisAlain (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: French cellist with a focus on chamber music, later also teaching. Decent obituaries. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:30, 25 September 2025 (UTC) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:30, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

(Added) Ongoing: Gaza War Timeline

Articles: Timeline of the Gaza war (20 August 2025 – present) (talk · history · tag) and Gaza war (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Sophisticatedevening (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The Gaza war had a timeline for a long time until a year ago, when it was removed by Schwede66 (talk · contribs) for being orange tagged. This newer timeline article has no issues, so it should be re-added, especially to fit in with the Sudanese and Ukraine wars. — Knightoftheswords 23:27, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support ArionStar (talk) 00:22, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support per nom’s logic. The Kip ^(contribs) 00:33, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support It's a current and ongoing event. Rager7 (talk) 02:07, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support per nom. I see no reason to prevent the re-addition of the timeline. Flip^andFlopped ㋡ 02:35, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
• Given that I was tagged, I shall state that I have no issue with this being re-added. The concern (orange tag) is gone, and the latest timeline gets heaps of daily edits, which is a requirement for eligibility. Schwede66 03:38, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support per nom. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 05:58, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support We should be treating these interminable wars in the same way. The main purpose of Ongoing is to assist reader navigation. Because the wars run for years, their articles become huge and so the timeline links seem necessary to help readers find the latest developments. This is a good generic way of handling issues such as recognition, claims of genocide and so on. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:15, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Not much more to add, honestly. Loytra^talk 11:49, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support per nomination. Achmad Rachmani (talk) 14:14, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support, perhaps the least controversial potential addition to a contentious topic nom. Should mark as ready. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 14:55, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
• Added, noting the prior removal was quality based, this updated version fixes that. Masem (t) 14:59, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: Bernie Parent

Article: Bernie Parent (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Philadelphia Flyers, Associated Press
Credits:

• Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Legendary Flyers goalie and the third HHOF goaltender to pass away this month. Article needs some work. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:18, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

(Withdrawn) War in the Sahel

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Article: War in the Sahel (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Kowal2701 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by CautiousHabliut (talk · give credit), Chomik1129 (talk · give credit), ThePaganUK (talk · give credit) and Jebiguess (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Could do with some expansion and improvement, but is updated ~monthly. Kowal2701 (talk) 15:52, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Ongoing is meant for stories with near daily updates, not monthly. Masem (t) 16:34, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem, article isn’t getting the updates necessary for ongoing. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:21, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Good faith nom, but nowhere near the daily updates in news or edits that we expect for ongoing. Gotitbro (talk) 17:58, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
• Weak oppose merely due to lack of media attention. This is 100% notable enough, but without reliable updates I see little point in front paging it. –DMartin 21:45, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support on notability, oppose on quality per dmartin. Flip^andFlopped ㋡ 02:36, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Slow-moving local conflict without wider impact that started 15 years ago. Unequivocally not notable enough to be a featured ongoing event. Dr Fell (talk) 02:55, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

  Covering 3+ countries w plenty wider impact, ridiculous comment Kowal2701 (talk) 08:38, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

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2025 World Athletics Championships

Article: 2025 World Athletics Championships (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In athletics, World Championships concludes in Tokyo, Japan, with the United States wins most gold medals. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The World Athletics Championships conclude in Tokyo, Japan.
News source(s): NBC Sports
Credits:

• Nominated by UCinternational (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 UCinternational (talk) 14:55, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

• Needs work The lead is ungrammatical and has issues with tenses. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:31, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Article is mostly devoid of prose. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:22, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality, the article is almost entirely tables. Strong oppose any blurb that counts medals - these are competitions between individual athletes, national medal tables are not the focus. Modest Genius ^talk 11:07, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality and the blurb suggested- for same reasons as Modest Genius. Joseph2302 (talk)
• Added altblurb, which is similar to the blurb we posted in 2019. Natg 19 (talk) 21:30, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• Altblurb is fine for me. Although it's irrelevant unless article quality is fixed. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:45, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

Trillion Peso March

Articles: Trillion Peso March (talk · history · tag) and Baha sa Luneta (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Trillion Peso March (pictured) and Baha sa Luneta, mass demonstrations across the Philippines against the alleged corruption in government flood control infrastructure projects, are held. (Post)
News source(s): (ABC News) (Bloomberg) (The Manila Times), The New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
• Updated by AdobongPogi (talk · give credit), Royiswariii (talk · give credit), Chlod (talk · give credit) and Thewideawake1 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Part of the Asian Spring, like the Nepalese and Indonesian ones. ArionStar (talk) 14:16, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

• Wait We realistically cannot post every protest that happens around the world which remains otherwise peaceful (there were a small number of arrests and injuries in the trillion peso march but given the numbers est. to be >100k, that's trivial) or without an immediate impact (like in Nepal). The protests are not over so more could happen in the next few days. Masem (t) 14:33, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  At least 150,000 protestors as a joint demonstration. It's news in every single newspaper. ArionStar (talk) 14:38, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  ITN's threshold for political demonstrations is somebody dying due to the protest (or probably storming the capitol, you gotta read the opposes on that LOL); nobody died here that we know of, and the worst that happened was rioters stealing a three-star hotel vault. Now if rioters storm the Batasang Pambansa Complex, that'll be something. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:33, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  "ITN's threshold for political demonstrations is somebody dying due to the protest". Show me the precedent. ArionStar (talk) 14:35, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  ITN hasn't posted the several organized protests against Trump. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:37, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  The precedent is what I meant would be protests with over 100,000 people being rejected due to lack of deaths. ArionStar (talk) 14:41, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  Not 100,000 people, but Million People March. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:42, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  "being rejected" = nominated and opposed ≠ Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/August 2013#Million People March. ArionStar (talk) 14:45, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  Yes, but not for "lack of deaths" reason. In 2013 we didn't have so many people engaged on ITN. ArionStar (talk) 14:52, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  Yeah, that was not posted but not due to people opposing it. 12 years later, we have Trump and raised the protests into a higher level something should violent happen before ITN posts it. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:05, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/June 2025#No Kings protests was nominated and opposed. ITN's threshold for protests is very high. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:53, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

• Comment: I credited the updaters (including me), I think if this is posted "Baha sa Luneta" will add the translation on ITN or not? ROY is WAR Talk! 14:51, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
• Strong oppose - if we won’t post protests with 5 million participants surely we won’t post ones with 150,000. ^EF⁵ 14:54, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  Where's in the archive? ArionStar (talk) 15:12, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  See No Kings protests I linked above. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:14, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose This may or may not be considered a part of the Asian Spring (nearly not as impactful as the outright revolutions in Nepal, Bangladesh and the massive protests in Indonesia) but this is not certainly not PPP 3.0, so I will hold my breath unless the Marcos government actually breaks. Gotitbro (talk) 17:56, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  In Metro Manila, there were actually two rallies, plus several other minor ones, then other ones elsewhere, but the articles should probably be merged into one. None of the major rally organizers were calling for the downfall of the Marcos government, as they judge that the one that will be replacing it will be worse for their interests. Also, everyone forgets about EDSA III. Howard the Duck (talk) 18:06, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  You mean the Estrada version of J6, I am sure no one in their right mind considers that a 'people power' revolution of any kind. Not a case of forgetting but a case of of sticking with facts. Gotitbro (talk) 22:08, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose 1 trillion PHP is about 17 billion USD. Routine anti-corruption protest in a flawed democracy. If the protestors win all of their demands, the impact will not be transformative to the Filipino government. Dr Fell (talk) 03:14, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

  "17 billion USD", we have posted scandals involving much less, the amount is irrelevant and nonetheless clearly siginificant for the Philipppines. We assess the merits of protests on the basis of wider national significance, immediate or otherwise, for ITN but that does not stem from value judgments of "flawed democracy". And this is certainly not a 'routine' corruption event, for e.g. the speaker of the house has resigned here and an entire commission has been set up for this.

  But since this nom is about the protest itself and not the event as a whole, I oppose it on the grounds of that [protests] alone but that definitely is not a statement on the event we are dealing with here as a whole. Gotitbro (talk) 04:28, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• Wait I support posting the protest in general, however we should wait and see if there are any government changes, as seen in Nepal. NewishIdeas (talk) 06:43, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
• Weak oppose. Marches or demonstrations with ~100k participants are not unusual in global terms - there's one today in Brazil, yesterday in Italy, a week ago in the UK etc. And those are only the ones I've seen headlines about, I didn't go hunting for them. ITN generally avoids posting stories about national politics. I'm not seeing anything about this particular protest to elevate it to blurb level. Still, I know almost nothing about Filipino politics, so perhaps I'm missing something. Modest Genius ^talk 16:50, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

  Ever since Duterte became president, protesters have been vilified in the Philippines, with protesters being labeled as "communists" (so 20th century, I know) with possible lethal implications, that the only actual protesters have been actual overground communists. This changed this weekend as now the government allowed the protests. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:30, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

Support Should be read and considered as the apex of a major government corruption scandal, not just as a demonstration. This is not one-off and has been brewing for months. Demonstration is common globally, and corruption has long been present in the Philippines, but demonstration at this scale against the Filipino political dynasties hasn't reached this scale in decades. 24.248.175.131 (talk) 00:27, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

• Weak oppose per MG, though like him I also know little about Filipino politics, so I can probably be convinced otherwise. The Kip ^(contribs) 01:15, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

@ViperSnake151 158.140.164.0 (talk) 04:42, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

International recognition of Palestine

Article: International recognition of Palestine (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Canada, Australia and the United Kingdom recognize a Palestinian state. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In an effort led by France, several Western states recognize Palestinian statehood.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Several Western states, including Canada, Australia, and the United Kingdom, recognize Palestinian statehood.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Several Western states recognize Palestinian statehood.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Chaotic Enby (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Happened in advance of the scheduled recognition tomorrow alongside France and others. Covered by Ongoing, but a major development given the diplomatic weight of these G20 countries. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:08, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

• Suggesting altblurb so we don't have to list all 10 countries. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 14:12, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  Noting that France et al. haven't recognized Palestinian statehood yet (the formal announcement is planned for tomorrow), only three countries have done it for now. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:26, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  I'm aware, I just have my doubts this blurb will be posted before then. Using the wording "several Western states" applies to 10 states, but can very well apply to 3 too. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 15:23, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose: I don' think that adding new entries to a table is enough updating of an article to count here. And also, this is the third time in less than a week that I see a weak proposal about something related to the Gaza War that is already ongoing. Cambalachero (talk) 14:21, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  As someone who’s voted against some of the other proposed items related to Gaza, the ongoing item existing doesn’t preclude us from posting a blurb if it’s judged to be of overt importance greater than simply the ongoing item. In my opinion, several major western powers recognizing a Palestinian state is one of those overly important items, and holds a wider relevance than just the war itself; keep in mind Gaza is only one part of the State of Palestine. The Kip ^(contribs) 00:32, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Not the first such countries, and until it actually means something (that the world will take some type of action to stop the war), mostly empty. As well as generally covered by the ongoing. Masem (t) 14:26, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  Most of the State of Palestine, @Masem, is not Gaza. Gaza is only 365 km² while the West Bank is over 5,000 km². This is most certainly not covered by Ongoing! Nfitz (talk) 19:19, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose until it actually means something. Right now, it's a sovereign state without defined border, without a government and this is just politics. Until a real agreement is reached, like the Abraham Accords, this is just politics. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 15:18, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support altblurb1 – Noted to be "a historic diplomatic shift". Yes, many states have recognized Palestine before (quite obvious at this point), but there's no denying the diplomatic weight of these G20 countries' recognition. The US now remains the sole UNSC permanent member that opposes Palestinian statehood. This has been a months-long push for Western recognition that is widely covered in international news. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 15:22, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

Of couse that it is "widely covered in international news". That's the bare minimum, I wouldn't expect any less. But there are dozens of such stories at any given moment and the template has a limited size, so "it's in the news right now" is not enough in itself. Cambalachero (talk) 15:33, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

• Wait until France and any others join in too, as this seems to be a loosely coordinated move. Then see what the reactions are. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:36, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  France has now announced support. So that's Australia, UK, Canada, Portugal, Malta, and France (and Luxembourg and Monaco) in the last 2 days. Three of the seven G7 nations, and 4 of the 20 G20 nations. Nfitz (talk) 21:50, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support but wait Reports indicate that ten countries are to recognize Palestine over the new two days. We should wait until the end of Monday before deciding until what the blurb entails. The reason I support it now is because it's a massive wave of recognition that involves heavy-hitter countries in terms of economic and military power, going from precisely zero of the G7 countries recognizing Palestine to a small majority of 4, and pointedly shows Israel's growing international isolation given their long-term opposition to such a move. I don't get the people who oppose this by saying that this "just politics", especially the one user who negatively compared this to the Abraham Accords; that's literally what all international relations is. At this point, I'm convinced that there are some users who juat don't want Palestine to be discussed at all. Mount Patagonia (talk • contributions) 16:40, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support Alt1 but wait for French recognition since the initial blurb of "Canada, Australia, and the United Kingdom" will be outdated very soon. Portugal will join those three before the day is over, France will join them tomorrow, and Andorra, Luxembourg, and Malta will join them this week. As Nice4What already explained, this is a major diplomatic shift.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 16:46, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  Seems Portugal was just added to the list of countries that recognize Palestine while I was typing that !vote  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 16:50, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support alt 1. Multiple other countries are also about to recognize Palestine, not just the Commonwealth. 64.114 etc 16:58, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support --Bedivere (talk) 16:58, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
• Strong Support: This is a major reversal of a yearslong status quo. Article has existed for a while so is of very good quality, and has been updated. –DMartin 17:07, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support ALT1 per above, but wait a bit - as noted, some of the recognitions are officially happening in the next day or two. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:23, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  After some later, arguments, support ALT3 as well, but oppose ALT2. Indifferent to which of 1/3 gets used, but IMO, France is the only country worth mentioning given they generally led the charge here. The Kip ^(contribs) 21:54, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support but oppose alt1 I think this event is significant, but for the altblurb I oppose the phrase "In an effort led by France". I've checked The Atlantic, NYT, WAPO, Politico, BBC, and Haaretz. The WAPO gets closest, saying it was in coordination with France, and the BBC notes that France was the first to announce their intention to recognize, but neither say the effort was led by France. 1brianm7 (talk) 17:40, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  Here are some sources you might've missed:

  • Associated Press: France drives other nations to recognize Palestinian state
  • Politico: "France is leading the effort"
  • Washington Post: "The three nations became the biggest countries to recognize Palestine, acting in coordination with France..."
  • Bloomberg: "French President Emmanuel Macron has led the way on the plan to recognize Palestinian statehood"
  • Times of Israel: "The UK’s expected announcement on Sunday is part of a French-led initiative to recognize a State of Palestine"
  • Telegraph: "Mr Macron has spearheaded a movement among Western leaders to recognise Palestinian statehood, in opposition to the US. France became the first G7 nation to make this pledge in July."

  French lobbying other Western states has been previously reported (see July 2025 Conference on the Implementation of the Two-State Solution § Planned recognition of Palestine). Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 18:55, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  I withdraw my opposition to alt1. 1brianm7 (talk) 01:11, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support Major development, clearly rises above the war (we would post such recognition for any other state). This is the fallout of the war and genocide, we cannot really bury our heads in the sand for absolutely major developments that stem from it. Comparing the recognition of an entire state to defence pacts (Abraham Accords) is very callous. Gotitbro (talk) 18:06, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support - huge story with UK, Canada, Australian recognition - this is the English Wikipedia after all. But where's France's recognition - I'm confused why I only see stuff such as today's interview with Macron, which talks about the timing of opening the French embassy in Palestine - but not the actual recognition. Nfitz (talk) 19:24, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  France is scheduled to formally announce recognition tomorrow. Additionally, while this is the English-language Wikipedia, it is an international project, and shouldn't give special weight to English-speaking countries when deciding what is or isn't in the news. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 19:32, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  Is there a written policy on that @Chaotic Enby? I keep criticizing all the ITN nominations every time Trump trumps or a Yank gets shot, that always get closed with "good faith nomination" niceties ... but I hasn't realized those that do this were actually violating policy! Nfitz (talk) 19:44, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  It is at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/FAQ#Anglo-American focus. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 19:51, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  Which remains an essay, interpreting policy. Only pointing to the moribund WP:CSB. I think I'm yet to say BIAS in a discussion without getting a "what can we do if the (English/Western) sources themselves are biased" from someone. Still I think it's enough, as that's almost half the G7 right there, and surely the vast majority of the G20 by now. Nfitz (talk) 20:32, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

• Question I'm trying to find sources if this is the case, but given that the US was the sole veto of the g7 at the UN meeting on Friday to demand a ceasefire, is this major action a response to that? If so, that should be indicated in the blurb. But if not, the blurb needs to establish why these countries compared to the other 130 countries that recognize Palenstein statehood is that important (!voters are mentioning that but that should be more explicit) Masem (t) 19:44, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  This long precedes that vote (which sounds like so many). For example, @Masem, Canada announced their intent to do this in September both on September 15th and July 30th. Nfitz (talk) 19:48, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  then the blurb should establish why these 4 countries' recognition is a major turning point, which I think we can pull from sources. Masem (t) 19:52, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  These recognitions are the result of a conference in July – July 2025 Conference on the Implementation of the Two-State Solution. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:28, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  Not a response to the US veto, this move has been in the making since May. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 20:29, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support this is 2/5ths of the permanent members of the security council recognizing Palestine as a state. That's a huge move in the diplomatic world. Palestine was previously recognized by Russia and China, so this moves Palestine from a minority of permanent security council members to a clear majority, with the United States as the lone opposer. There's still great power holdouts like Germany, Italy, and Japan, but overall this movement is significant and significant enough for ITN. NorthernFalcon (talk) 21:43, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  I wouldn't hold my breath for two of the holdouts, deeply involved in the worst crime against humanity. Gotitbro (talk) 22:13, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  @Gotitbro Not to come off as overly confrontational, but this feels like a violation of WP:NOTFORUM. The Kip ^(contribs) 00:28, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

  There have been arguements put forth here and at related pages, that only a rubber stamping in the affirmative by countries like the US and Germany can make us assess the international consensus of what is happening. The comment pertained to why that shouldn't really affect siginificance, ITN or otherwise. Could have been more verbose but that simply not a forum comment, sorry. Gotitbro (talk) 04:14, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

  The reality is, Great Powers drive diplomacy, whether we like it or not, and have done so since at least the Concert of Europe. Diplomatic recognition by a great power means more than diplomatic recognition by another nation. NorthernFalcon (talk) 06:18, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

  I’m not quite sure how that addresses my initial concern, and I still recommend you strike it. It’s a comment on politics, not on content. The Kip ^(contribs) 14:09, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

  Comments may cover politics but still not be forum content. Let me elaborate. A recognition by major countries, barring those directly supporting one side in the conflict/genocide, is significant in and of itself and what those conflict of interest holdouts make of this recognition really has nobearing for deciding the ITN significance of this nom. Gotitbro (talk) 01:09, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

  That would have made a far better initial comment, but also doesn’t seem completely comparable to your initial comment The Kip ^(contribs) 02:01, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support as notable. The recognition of Palestine by multiple Western nations (Canada, Australia, and the United Kingdom) represents a significant shift in the diplomatic stance of key Israeli allies and in geopolitics. Rager7 (talk) 02:16, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose altblurb, support original blurb or alt3 Support in principle but disagree with characterizing the effort as being led by France. One could just as easily say it was led by Canada; it is not NPOV or proper encyclopedic voice. Flip^andFlopped ㋡ 02:41, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

  Reliable sources call it French-led, please see above. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 03:10, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

Support alt1 as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:02, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• Needs work Looking at this after a day, our article and its meagre update seems quite inadequate to reflect coverage and reaction such as:

1. Israeli political sphere unanimous in opposing Palestinian state recognition ... Israel must not annex West Bank in response to recognition, says Cooper – the BBC's live coverage of reactions and responses
2. Recognising Palestinian statehood opens another question - who would lead it? ― a good in-depth analysis considering such criteria as the Montevideo Convention
3. Europe Talks Big on Gaza but Struggles to Act – the NYT points out that Europe seems quite divided and ineffectual

Perhaps there's a timeline or some other article which has more but currently the proposed target doesn't give the reader much detail about current developments.

Andrew🐉(talk) 10:13, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support alt1 Per above as this is a sig. shift in diplomatic stance in regards to geopolitics and the Israel-Gaza conflict. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 14:32, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality, support on notability I agree with Andrew Davidson that way more could be added from sources about this. But this is an historic event that is at the top of news feeds in many countries, and so meets WP:ITNSIGNIF. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:07, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support and oppose lingo-supremacism in any form. —Fortuna, imperatrix 16:03, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
• Theoretically support alt3 since this is a significant diplomatic shift & rises beyond the scope of the Gaza war. I oppose other blurbs since I think none of the countries should be singled out. I also oppose on quality per Andrew & Joseph2302. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:40, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

Strong support. All politics is "just politics", so not sure that disqualifies anything. This is big news. Lewisguile (talk) 21:36, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support Explicitly mention the Uk and France (because they are permanent members of the Security Council) and the Uk also because of the Balfour declaration. Both the UK and France are also mentioned in the lead of Mandate for Palestine and Mandatory Palestine showing their big impact on the current situation. The other countries shouldn't necessarily be mentioned and can be placed under "various other (western?) countries". Rolluik (talk) 22:05, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support and add Portugal It’s a remarkable public shift in the status quo surrounding Palestine.-TenorTwelve (talk) 23:10, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
• Wait until the end of the UN General Debate. More countries are about to do the same. ArionStar (talk) 00:33, 23 September 2025 (UTC)
• Generally Support and update the blurb as events unfold. It's clearly a moment when the world is sending a message. Jehochman ^Talk 00:38, 23 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support due to reliable sources. Achmad Rachmani (talk) 01:39, 23 September 2025 (UTC)
• Still not ready Checking after another day of developments, I see that the lead still has nothing while the article doesn't mention Macron who was the main actor yesterday. Today, I see that Trump will be speaking at the UN and I suppose he may take a different tack. But as that's uncertain, we should wait until everyone has had their say and then see whether the article has actually been updated. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:10, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

  Why would Trump reiterating his long-standing opposition to recognizing Palestinian statehood change anything...? Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 16:15, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

• Trump's speech is just the start. This is the General debate of the eightieth session of the United Nations General Assembly and the leader of every country is going to make a speech over the next week! I'm not optimistic that any of these announcements and speeches will change anything but let's see shall we... Andrew🐉(talk) 17:34, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

  With 20 editors already in "support" and much less voting "oppose", I'm unsure if your personal desire to wait for world leaders' yearly speeches should override the already apparent consensus to post this blurb. A separate blurb for the General Assembly could be proposed anyways. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 18:03, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

  While there seems to be consensus on notability, the opposes for quality reasons should be considered separately, and there doesn't seem to be consensus on that aspect yet. I'm wondering if the general debate article could be expanded to discuss this wave of recognition in more detail, as the broader list article might not be the place for such specific details. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:11, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

• It appears that these announcements were deliberately scheduled to take place at the start of the 80th session. As the leaders of all relevant countries are going to be making speeches, it's a good opportunity to assess the impact of these developments. For example, Netanyahu will be making his speech to the UN on Friday. As there's still lots of work to be done in updating our article (s), we should be drawing on this week of diplomatic activity to document and clarify the current situation. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:54, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose as per the map in the article, most countries in the world already recognised Palestine as a state. Also, seems like token actionism by UK, France etc, as nothing will change on the ground for the time being. Khuft (talk) 18:29, 23 September 2025 (UTC)
• Info Italy's Meloni said she would recognize Palestine if Hamas get out. ArionStar (talk) 02:21, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

Consensus

• Admin comment I find that there is consensus to post Alt3, but quality issues need to be addressed before we can do so. Can I encourage interested parties to address the quality issues? Maybe it's best if subsequent discussion focusses on where quality is at. Schwede66 03:25, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

  Two votes in favor of alt3 (one of which is based on the false equivalent that the recognitions are Canadian-led, despite many reliable sources calling it French-led), while four editors are explicitly in favor of alt1 and an additional editor is in favor of either? There is however a prevailing consensus to not single out Commonwealth countries. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 17:11, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

• The lead of the target article still doesn't tell the reader that some specific event has just happened. The alt3 blurb would be quite vague too, not listing specific countries and so the reader would not have any way of understanding exactly what happened. And, looking at the general coverage, it doesn't seem that these announcements have made a big impact which is getting continuing coverage. That's partly because they have been made separately on different days and partly because they are generally perceived to be making little practical difference. And so they are lost in the general hubbub of the UN in which all countries struggle to be heard as they make their statements and speeches about various important matters such as Ukraine, climate change and more. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:10, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

I've added two paragraphs about the recent developments to International recognition of Palestine § Renewed membership efforts and additional rights at the UN, alongside a brief mention in the lead. Not sure if I should go into more detail relative to the size of the article? Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 01:18, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: John Stapleton

Article: John Stapleton (English journalist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sky News The Guardian
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by ItsShandog (talk · give credit)
• Updated by ClaudineChionh (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: British journalist and broadcaster ItsShandog (talk) 09:15, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

September 20

Portal:Current events/2025 September 20

September 20, 2025 (2025-09-20) (Saturday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

• Gaza war
  • Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip
    • 2025 Gaza City offensive
      • At least 91 Palestinians are killed by Israeli attacks across the Gaza Strip, including 76 people in Gaza City. (Al Jazeera)
• Russian invasion of Ukraine
  • Attacks on civilians in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure
    • At least three people are killed and more than 30 people are injured in a Russian drone and missile attack on critical infrastructure and residential buildings across Ukraine. (BBC News) (Reuters)
  • Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine
    • Four people are killed and one person is injured in a Ukrainian drone attack on oil refineries in Novokuybyshevsk, Samara Oblast and Saratov, Saratov Oblast, Russia. (BBC News) (The Kyiv Independent)
• Druze insurgency in Southern Syria
  • Pro-government Bedouin tribes issue a 10 day ultimatum to Druze insurgents to release hostages held in the Suwayda Governorate under the threat of a resumption of hostilities. (SOHR)
• Haitian conflict
  • At least eight children are killed and six others are injured after explosive drones strike the birthday party of a suspected gang leader in Cité Soleil, Port-au-Prince, Haiti, with human rights groups accusing police of carrying out the attack that also leaves several adults dead. (AP)

Arts and culture

• Intervision 2025 is held in Moscow, Russia, and is won by Đức Phúc from Vietnam. (CNN) (Reuters)

Disasters and accidents

• At least seven people, including five children, are killed and several others injured when the roof of a private academy collapsed in Punjab province, Pakistan. (Xinhua)
• Two Polish Special Forces soldiers die in the United States during night parachute training, according to the Polish Armed Forces General Command. The GROM Military Unit reports that they were paratroopers from the CICHOCIEMNI group. (TVP Info in Polish)

Law and crime

• 2025 Nashua shooting
  • One person is killed and eight others are injured, including six non-gunshot victims, in a shooting at the Sky Meadow Country Club in Nashua, New Hampshire, United States. The suspect is arrested. (WMUR-TV)
• Collins Aerospace cyberattack
  • A cyberattack on a service provider causes flight disruptions at multiple European airports. (DW)

Politics and elections

• 2024–2025 French political crisis
  • Between 500,000, according to French authorities, and one million people, according to the unions, manifest or participate to labour strikes across France, to protest against austerity politics planned by President Emmanuel Macron, and to pressure him to finally choose a prime minister representative of the 2024 French legislative election results. (France 24)
• Ecuador's electoral council approves President Daniel Noboa's request for a referendum on constitutional changes, including ending the ban on foreign military bases and eliminating state funding for political parties, while the Constitutional Court reviews challenges to his proposal for a constituent assembly. (AP)

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(NEW) Intervisiom 2025

Article: Intervision 2025 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Vietnamese singer Đức Phúc (pictured) wins the revival of Intervision with the song "Phù Đổng Thiên Vương". (Post)
News source(s): Reuters BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

 ArionStar (talk) 02:24, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

• Pinging some regular editors on ITN (@Andrew Davidson, The Kip, QalasQalas, EF5, and Masem:) before its archiving. ArionStar (talk) 02:34, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: Julio Frade

Article: Julio Frade (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Pais
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Uruguayan musician and comedian Mooonswimmer 03:20, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Agnes Gund

Article: Agnes Gund (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by Innisfree987 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Scaramouche33 (talk · give credit) and Innisfree987 (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: American philanthropist. Missing a couple of citations but close to ready. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:52, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Added some of the missing citations. I think it's good to go Scaramouche33 (talk) 08:53, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
  • Thanks! Innisfree987 (talk) 21:06, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 01:40, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: JD Twitch

Article: JD Twitch (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Scottish DJ Mooonswimmer 20:03, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

Not yet ready Discography is unsourced. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:47, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

Now cited. Black Kite (talk) 12:18, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Enrique Molina Pico

Article: Enrique Molina Pico (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Nacion
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Argentine naval officer and academic Mooonswimmer 02:35, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

Support article looks so good. Ready to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 23:07, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 01:41, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: Sonny Curtis

Article: Sonny Curtis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Express, Associated Press
Credits:

• Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
• Created by Wahkeenah (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Quadrophenia Fan (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: American '50s musician, member of the Crickets. Date death announced. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 14:20, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose due to insufficient sourcing. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:47, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: Matt Beard

Article: Matt Beard (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c0r00qx5llko
Credits:

• Nominated by KTC (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Dudek1337 (talk · give credit)

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 KTC (talk) 20:53, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

• Weak oppose couple of citations needed, also probably could have a little bit more expansion from obituaries e.g. the BBC Sport one gives a couple of extra details that could be added. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:01, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

(Posted to ongoing) Gaza genocide

Article: Gaza genocide (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Schwede66 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Crampcomes (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Cdjp1 (talk · give credit), Selfstudier (talk · give credit) and Achmad Rachmani (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: I've just closed the UN report about the Gaza genocide nomination. Some commentary was made that the genocide is important enough to post, despite the Gaza war being in "ongoing" already. It certainly gets updated frequently; the last 1000 edits have occurred since 29 July, which comes to 19 edits per day. As the blurb nomination didn't find support, we should discuss whether we add this to the ongoing item; I envisage that it should look like so: Gaza war (genocide) Schwede66 04:49, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support, I don't find any reason against it. Alexcalamaro (talk) 04:54, 20 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support due to WP:PEIS being reduced. Achmad Rachmani (talk) 05:02, 20 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:32, 20 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose This is a contentious topic and the issue of genocide is an especially contentious one. The policy directs us to "err on the side of caution" but this would be an inflammatory addition and the previous discussion demonstrated a lack of consensus for posting it. As the issue is amply covered within the existing Gaza war entry, there's no need for a second link. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:38, 20 September 2025 (UTC)
  • There is now consensus that scholarly sources consider this a genocide.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 18:07, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

    Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:09, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

    @Andrew Davidson the consensus is based on wikipedians finding an overwhelming majority of scholarly sources considering this a genocide. VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 03:18, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• Wikipedia is still not a reliable source. The discussion was prolonged because there was significant disagreement and so the claim of consensus is bogus. The discussion was a rerun of a previous discussion which had a different result, just like this case here. In such contentious conflicts, parties keep trying again and again in the hope of getting their favoured result. This is not consensus; it's attrition. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:22, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

  Feel free to contest the RFC in the appropriate venues. But unless it is overruled, the decision made there trumps your personal opinion of whether the consensus is "bogus" or not. 296cherry (talk) 20:31, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose per Andrew, and because it is covered in ongoing. No one doubts that Israel is also committing atrocities, but let us not forget that genocide is a crime, a legal concept that is declared by criminal courts (in this case, it will be the ICC that rules on it), not us. There is a risk of bias. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:02, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

• And there's even a specific definition of a genocide, and the report only highlights "four out of five" violations of the Geneva Convention.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 06:39, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

  If you are referring to the UN commission finding that Israel has committed four out of the five acts listed in the Genocide Convention, only one act is required for it to be a genocide. EvansHallBear (talk) 06:47, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a legal journal or a court of law. We have an WP:ACADEMICBIAS, so if a consensus among scholars says it's genocide, so do we. Lewisguile (talk) 21:38, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose: Already covered in ongoing. Plus, according to sources I can see, there is not yet any final ruling over whether or not there is a genocide going on. --- Elios Peredhel (talk), 10:34, 20 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose It should be very clear from the ongoing Gaze entry about what most consider to be a genocide going on there, in addition that we still cannot yet, as Wikipedia, call it a genocide factually as others have pointed out. Masem (t) 12:48, 20 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose The Gaza war is considered contentious (as can be seen by the redacted non EC comments above), and thus it's better for us to remain neutral and err on the side of caution. Trying to push this onto ITN time and time again feels (again) like an attempt to right great wrongs, which is not the purpose of either Wikipedia nor ITN. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 16:26, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

• I also concur with this.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 06:39, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose: Regardless of the discussion of it being or not a genocide and who gets to decide such a thing, it's an adjacent topic to the Gaza War, which is already ongoing. Cambalachero (talk) 17:34, 20 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support in principle. We can add it in brackets next to the Gaza war. I don’t understand those who say that we—as Wikipedia—cannot call it a genocide when that word is already included in the article’s title. If you object the title for the sake of caution, you should advertise the problem on the article’s talk page, not argue against it here as this is not a place to discuss other stuff.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:13, 20 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per Andrew and Masem. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:38, 20 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support Bedivere (talk) 21:14, 20 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per Andrew and Masem. Flip^andFlopped ㋡ 02:20, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

Support Striking my vote, as I am convinced by the arguments of subsequent participants to this discussion. My initial impulse was this was covered by ongoing and we should pick one or the other, but I am convinced by Amakuru and others. There is a scholarly and legal consensus that Israel, as a matter of fact, is committing genocide in Gaza. The appropriate discussion topic here is whether that meets the criteria for "ongoing" at the same time as the war/conflict frameework the genocide is otherwise happening within - and upon reflection, I think it can. Flip^andFlopped ㋡ 02:33, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose We already have an ongoing for the war between Israel and Gaza, and, per Andrew and Masem, we cannot characterise accusations as facts. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:53, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support Gaza Ethnic Cleansing - Genocide is always difficult to define - so a compromise; I don't think anyone would disagree that Isreal's plan to move Palestinians from Gaza is, by definition ethnic cleansing. Nfitz (talk) 04:00, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  This is incorrect. Genocide has a solid definition under international criminal law ("acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group"), while ethnic cleansing is a euphemism that does not have a recognised legal definition. --Grnrchst (talk) 09:51, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  OI would oppose that wording. We shouldn't use euphemisms. –DMartin –DMartin 17:04, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  The problem is that requires proof that Israel is trying to destroy the Palestinians, rather than move them elsewhere. We've ran into this problem here before with rape, because legal definitions vary from place to place; while digital penetration is rape in some jurisdictions, it's only sexual assault in other jurisdictions. I've never heard "ethnic cleansing" (or sexual assault) called an euphemism before - though I do see a note in the dictionary that "This and related terms are often regarded as euphemistic in intention". I see ethnic cleansing as an easier bar, that no one could dispute, given the announcements by Israel of clearing Gaza, and the US announcements about planning to build resorts there. I just don't see how "Destroy" is proven in a court of law (and it hasn't been). Here's a question then @Grnrchst and @Dmartin969, given the high bar and non-universal acceptance of the Rome Statute genocide definition, and the possibly euphemistic "ethnic cleansing", what else could be used. Maybe we simply change the Ongoing from "Gaza War" to "Gaza". (I'm horrified that it may actually sound like I'm defending the Israeli government here - I'm not) Nfitz (talk) 19:07, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  This argument is redundant. If scholars say it's genocide, we go with them. Recent consensus was that there is consensus among scholars, human rights orgs, etc. Lewisguile (talk) 21:41, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Since the Gaza war’s already in “Ongoing”. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 05:33, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

• Comment. Maybe it ain't a war any more? --Ouro (blah blah) 06:04, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Already covered by ongoing. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 10:03, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support per above The AP (talk) 11:43, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support. I'm not an expert in this topic, and I usually try to steer clear of Israel–Palestine issues on Wikipedia because I have neither the expertise nor the time and energy to become embroiled in that saga. But looking at the talk page of the Gaza genocide, article I see that an RFC closed today which effectively endorses the view that calling it a genocide can now be done in Wikipedia's voice. In particular, the lead now states that while the label was "controversial at first, it is now supported by a wide academic consensus". As such, with the WP:DUEWEIGHT opinion and Wikipedia's voice apparently now calling this a genocide without equovocation, I think this is a clear-cut topic that should be in ongoing. There are some opposes above based on this being already covered by the Gaza war listing, but it seems to me that if, as implied by the RFC result, this is truly regarded as a genocide by scholars, then it is clearly significant enough to be listed separately. We wouldn't have vetoed the Rwandan genocide as an ongoing topic just because it was "already covered by the Rwandan Civil War" would we?  — Amakuru (talk) 14:11, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  We currently have a parallel situation with the Russo-Ukraine war – see Allegations of genocide of Ukrainians in the Russo-Ukrainian War, "According to multiple national governments, international organisations, independent experts and media outlets, Russia and its ally Belarus are committing genocide against the Ukrainian people..." Heavy civilian casualties and collateral damage are commonplace in such bitter, major wars. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:46, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  WP:OTHERCONTENT — 🧀Cheesedealer ^!!!⚟ 18:35, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  Amakuru referred to other content with the hypothetical example of "Rwandan genocide as an ongoing topic". Ukraine is a more relevant example because Russian invasion of Ukraine is actually in ongoing right now and there are similar accusations of genocide in that case. Per WP:NPOV, we should be treating such wars in a similar way, not selectively. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:53, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  Yeah my answer above went for both of you.

  As for Per WP:NPOV, we should be treating such wars in a similar way, not selectively

  I'm not familiar with the scholarly scene that is concerned by the allegations of genocide in Ukraine, but I don't reckon that it is nearly as vivid as the scene concerned by Gaza genocide (see Template:Expert opinions in the Gaza genocide debate), and I don't think there is as much consensus among scholars and experts (more than 280 sources in favor of the characterisation, quoting more than 1000 scholars/experts), if it is the case, then I believe we should start arguing for the legitimacy of a Ukraine genocide claim, in its talk page, not here — 🧀Cheesedealer ^!!!⚟ 20:31, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  Ongoing is not the right place to keep track of such complexities because an ongoing entry is just a link. Blurbs are better because they provide some brief narrative to explain the event and issue. There was no consensus for a blurb in this case and so it seems quite improper for an ongoing entry to be proposed when it would be a worse way of listing the matter at ITN. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:23, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  Ongoing exists simply to provide readers with a quick link to topics that are in the news and deemed to be significant, but in a longterm fashion rather than as a point-in-time event. Often ongoing events begin with a big-bang event that is noteworthy as a blurb. Occasionally though, it's something like this that is more cumulative with ongoing status despite no blurb event significant enough by itself. The war has been going on for two years now, but it's only recently and in a gradual fashion that scholarly consensus has reached the conclusion it seemingly has, according to the RFC result.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:16, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  Thank you for your very considered opinion on the matter, Amakuru. Schwede66 03:44, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support. I am commenting with the understanding that this is a contentious topic; it is a subject area I have largely avoided due to how contentious it is, and (to my recollection) I have only edited a single article in this area in over 6 years on the platform. But in this case I feel it necessary to add my voice. As Amakaru above has pointed out, an RfC on the Gaza genocide has established that there is academic consensus that it should be considered a genocide and it can be called as such in wikivoice; this conclusion is supported by the International Association of Genocide Scholars, Doctors Without Borders, Amnesty International, a UN special committee and an independent UN commission, the latter of which presented evidence finding the State of Israel to be carrying out 4 of the 5 genocidal acts outlined in the Genocide Convention (which legally defines genocide). I understand the people that say it is already covered by the Gaza war, but the genocide itself is being covered on a daily basis by the international press and scholarly publications. I also understand the appeals to exercise caution above, but think some might be mistaking silence for neutrality. I worry that arguments against posting are veering into arguments to avoid, i.e. basing our decisions on appropriateness of a story or whether or not it might cause offence. At the end of the day, the Gaza genocide meets the In the News criteria for article quality and the significance of the event. For these reasons and more, I am in support of it being added to the ongoing section, in brackets next to the Gaza war. --Grnrchst (talk) 15:04, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support, obviously a contentious topic but "Gaza war" is clearly inadequate to cover the scope of what is happening in Gaza presently. Morgan695 (talk) 17:43, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support, per Amakuru.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 18:07, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support, per Amakuru and Grnrchst. The argument that it is already covered by "ongoing" doesn't cut it because the war article covers the conflict between Israel and the Palestinian factions and doesn't give a lot of weight to the genocide itself (rightfully ofc). The genocide deserves to have its own "ongoing" entry considering how abundantly covered it is in the media, serving WP:NEUTRALITY and to avoid WP:FALSEBALANCE. These latter policies should be sufficient also to address the argument stating how such an addition would be inflammatory especially considering how it is largely supported in the scholarly scene — 🧀Cheesedealer ^!!!⚟ 18:32, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
• Comment a major problem here is that ITN's ongoing line lacks the context of article space (where on the article the lede quickly explains that this is still a controversial wording though has broader agreement in scholarly sources). "Genocide" is still a word that carries criminality with it, and without the context of article space, just adding "Gaza genocide" in parathesis after the Gaza conflict is going to to be controversial itself without the space to contextualize this. That's a major issue specific to ITN and lack of space to give the needed context, because otherwise it would appear that WP in Wikitext supports calling it a genocide. I don't know if there a briefer wording that could be used like "(accusations of genocide)" that would step that claim out of Wikivoice (which is what the article itself does too). Masem (t) 20:25, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

• @Masem: Wikipedia already supports calling it a genocide simply because the article is named ‘Gaza genocide’, and this already has potentially huge implications (please see this letter from the United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform addressed to the CEO of the Wikimedia Foundation). So, opposing this on the grounds that it’s contentious to call it a ‘genocide’ is thwarting consensus reached elsewhere on Wikipedia.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:39, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  Being titled like that is mitigated that by the nature of the first lede paragraph that explains it is not a fact in Wikivoice, and my scan of the article shows no significant place where it is reiterated as a genocide as Wikivoice-fact but always with some type of attribution or the like. The context of the article space provides that room. A listing at ITN ongoing does not. Masem (t) 21:29, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

The opening paragraph reads The Gaza genocide is the ongoing systematic destruction of the Palestinian people in Gaza by Israel by means of blockade, invasion, and bombing of the strip with the manifest intent of senior Israeli leaders in the context of the war that is taking place there. Although this characterisation of Israel's campaign in Gaza was controversial at first, it is now supported by a wide academic consensus. where the last sentence clearly states that it’s no longer controversial and there’s wide academic consensus. I don’t see how this mitigates the genocide claim.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:53, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

But still doesn't state it definitely in Wikivoice. The article doesn't step on that line, just edges as close as possible from a NPOV angle. Masem (t) 23:24, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

@Masem, I believe there is now consensus that wikipedia should describe the events in Gaza as "genocide as a fact in Wikipedia voice" (although Beland can correct me if I'm reading their close incorrectly).VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 00:09, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity (really for the purpose of learning), what would it sound like if it was stated in wikivoice? — 🧀Cheesedealer ^!!!⚟ 00:11, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

There would be no second sentence of the lede, just leaving as is without having to explain who considers it a genocide, and most of the sections in the article explaining why this is justified as a genocide would not need to be present; in much the same way we don't have any questions of doubt of the Holocaust on that article, putting the doubts to a wholly separate page. (And FWIW I fully believe it is a genocide there, just that from NPOV we need to be real careful for WP to present that without any attribution or caveats) Masem (t) 01:03, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

I don't really follow this argument. The article literally says "the Gaza genocide is the ongoing systematic destruction...". Saying "this was controversial but now most scholars agree" does not mean we're not saying it is in Wikivoice. It's just doing our due diligence by mentioning dissenting viewpoints. Lewisguile (talk) 21:47, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

That article has a whole readily establishes that naming the as a genocide is a controversial topic but many scholars and political have come to call it that, and otherwise the article as a whole carefully navigates any explicit statement that says it is a genocide in wiki voice without the context of it being a controversial concept. Masem (t) 22:30, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. Some of the worst referencing problems have been fixed since the last nomination, but I think there are still verifiability and referencing concerns ... not to mention the orhter coverage and ongoing issues that Andrew points out. For the referencing issues: I've been working through them as I have time, and made notes on the artilce's talk page -- so please don't ping me repeatedly here about my not-vote. Instead, discuss the issues and the article (not the not-vote) on the article's talk page. -- mikeblas (talk) 20:22, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose because it is covered by the war's listing and, per Masem, this listing can't place the allegations in the proper context in the ITN box. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:34, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support per Amakuru. Parabolist (talk) 21:30, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
• Weak support – When we're to decide consensus based on strength of arguments, the concerns that the term Gaza genocide is against "Wikivoice" should be disregarded. As several editors have explained, consensus has already been reached to use this term; and a quick read of the article shows that though this term has been controversial (as are most recent characterizations of genocide), there is a prevailing agreement among experts that it is genocide (which is not the case for Ukraine). I believe this might already be covered by "Gaza war" in ongoing, but I lean towards support because of the amount of daily edits and other compelling arguments left by editors here. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 01:33, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support Regardless of contention and status of the war. This is an ongoing event and deserves nomination. Rager7 (talk) 02:27, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
• Comment. I don’t have a strong feeling about whether we should double up but I will say I understand the wiki voice question to be settled in the affirmative: WP consensus is there’s an RS consensus it’s a genocide and is therefore described as such in wiki voice ("The Gaza genocide is…"), not attributed opinion. So I don’t see that question as reason to exclude it from ITN. Innisfree987 (talk) 04:35, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
• @ArionStar, ZKang123, Scu ba, BilboBeggins, Lewisguile, EF5, Modest Genius, QalasQalas, Greensminded24, EvansHallBear, Coining, Darouet, Bogazicili, RachelTensions, Fakescientist8000, Chaotic Enby, GreatCaesarsGhost, Tradedia, and Selfworm: Courtesy pinging all those left out from the last related discussion. Gotitbro (talk) 05:31, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

  Thank you, @Gotitbro, for the ping. I'm not as familiar with ITN rules, but is there such a thing as a procedural close? It is just four days prior that a discussion occurred on essentially the same topic, and this seems like an second bite at the apple. In addition, the nomination steps listed above say to "Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated)" (bolding copied from above). If this request is an outgrowth of the September 16th discussion, it should have been posted under September 16th. Those of us who had subscribed to the September 16th discussion would have been informed. Also, it is disappointing that watchers of the affected article were not informed via {{ITN note}} that it has been nominated (again) for ITN status. This happened with the September 16 ITN request, but it has not happened here. Coining (talk) 12:42, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

  I have notified that Talk page. I don't think this passes for a procedural close, ongoing items are fundamentally different from the WP:ITNBLURBs and while there maybe overlap these are indeed treated separately (many a times we have even had noms for both at the same time). Schwede66 opened this in their admin capacity, I believe, as other users were raising a preference for ongoing than blurbing this item. Gotitbro (talk) 13:14, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support As someone who succesfully nominated Gaza famine for ITN sometime ago, I was on the fence whether the article/topic is apt for an ongoing listing. But arguments here and at the previous UN nom have convinced me so. The genocide and related topics simply cannot be forever pushed under the euphemism of the war as GreatCaesarsGhost put it or as Amakuru says opposing arguments put here so forth simply would not have or will be tenable for other similar events. If anything the main facet of the ongoing crisis is not the 'war' itself but the commission of this genocide. I find the opposing arguments that this is either too controversial (irrelevant for determining Ongoing siginificance) or that this is cannot be stated in 'wikivoice' (one of the most massive RfCs and compilation of academic opinions resulted in an affirmative for that) unconvinving. Gotitbro (talk) 05:44, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• "War" is not a euphemism; it's an ancient blunt word which implies battle, death, destruction and other unpleasantness. That's why, for example, Russia prefers to talk of its "special military operation".

"Broadly speaking, short words are best, and the old words, when short, are best of all" – Churchill

Andrew🐉(talk) 06:53, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

Sorry war=/= genocide and the Gaza genocide=/=Gaza war. In this case when repeated deference to the war ongoing for the addition of this item is made, that is the euphemism being referred to here. Decontextualized Churchillian quotes do not change that. Gotitbro (talk) 01:49, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

The supposed genocide is an aspect or component of the war. The article Gaza war has an entire paragraph about genocide in its lead and lots of details in the body. So, the reader will find plenty of material about the genocide issue easily by going to the war article. The separate link is therefore redundant and clutter which is not sensible when ITN is so tight on space. We have entire major wars such as Myanmar being completely ignored so that Gaza can hog the limelight. This is not encyclopedic or NPOV. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:01, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

@Andrew Davidson: Andrew, even though I frequently disagree with your comments here at this board, I do believe they are a valid part of discussions. But it also happens that they often do seem pointy at times and describing the posting here of a mere piped link to an ongoing genocide as 'Gaza hogging the limelight' is as impolite and uncivil as it can get in a CTOPS discussion like this. Please don't. Gotitbro (talk) 22:08, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

• Weak support I agree with Amakuru and others both that we can say genocide in Wikivoice and the genocide is distinct from the war. The only outstanding question in my mind is whether WP:ITNSIGNIF has been met. The 1000 edits since 29 July figure is misleading as there have been numerous edits related to reference formatting in that time span, so I don't think that is sufficient to demonstrate significance. Maybe this is mitigated somewhat by having numerous spinoff articles like Cultural discourse about the Gaza genocide that are also being actively updated? In my view, news coverage of the genocide (as opposed to general war coverage) has been significant, particularly in light of the recent UN commission report, but I am not sure that it's been fully demonstrated here. EvansHallBear (talk) 06:21, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose My concerns is that most RS saying this is a "genocide" are still potentially biased against Israel. Plus, the recent COI report even has many holes in its reasoning with selective misinterpretation of statements by Israeli leaders and assumes that the civilian deaths in Gaza are only the result of deliberate targeting by Israel (as UN Watch pointed out). And I said before: this is just the UN COI report which does not officially speak on behalf of the UN. If the UN eventually accepts the report and declares it a genocide, then I will have no choice but to support it as a significant event.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 06:34, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

@ZKang123: "most RS say ... this is a "genocide". Just so. —Fortuna, imperatrix 17:07, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

The place to make that argument would have been in the RfC; consensus is what it is. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:05, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

UN Watch is not a reliable source. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 05:24, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support adding this to ongoing, ideally by combining the entries e.g. 'Gaza war and genocide' or 'Gaza war (genocide). I would have preferred a blurb, for the reasons I stated in the previous nomination, but putting it in ongoing is a reasonable compromise. Modest Genius ^talk 11:01, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

  Support The genocide is the main topic of the war currently. ArionStar (talk) 12:07, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

Support per local RFC and the fact that the genocide is distinct from the conflict. Probably similar to Modest Genius (talk · contribs)'s proposal combined with my nomination on Sep 21 to from something like Gaza war (timeline · genocide), or Gaza war and genocide (timeline). — Knightoftheswords 12:56, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support - The Gaza genocide, an ongoing genocide, is perfectly fit for the ongoing section alongside the Gaza war. Combining the entries seems most appropriate. Those users expressing doubt or claims of bias should check Template:Expert opinions in the Gaza genocide debate to see that almost every major human rights organization and scholarly organization is referring to the events as a genocide, and this was confirmed in the recent RfC on Talk:Gaza Genocide. My suggestion is that it becomes something like "Gaza (war · genocide · timeline)." That keeps it concise and avoids repetition.--JasonMacker (talk) 16:45, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support Agree this is a reasonable compromise to the current ongoing language. And I would also express concern about the constant use of "already covered by ongoing" as a cudgel against substantively distinct events. It is hardly a given that genocide is an element of war. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:39, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Amakuru said it best. Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:44, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support per the argument made by @Amakuru. 296cherry (talk) 20:34, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

Strong support per nom. I find many of the responses that "genocide" still doesn't have consensus baffling, when we just had an RfC closed that contradicts that viewpoint. Ditto repeated unsupported claims that there are verifiability issues when these have been explained multiple times over and there hasn't been any evidence provided to prove these concerns are actually valid. We should avoid arguments that amount to WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Lewisguile (talk) 21:55, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support per scholarly consensus.

إيان (talk) 05:11, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

Support per JasonMacker Cinaroot (talk) 05:14, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose The sources claiming a genocide are not reliable. The claims fall flat on their face given the lack of intent to destroy (despite fringe politicians suggesting such) and the immense efforts Israel has made to prevent casualties and provide aid which is entirely unprecedented in war. Not to mention even if there was intent, its been highly ineffective. The only genocide in history where the alleged victims started the conflict with an actual genocidally intended massacre, have maintained their intent to commit such again, and took numerous hostages, 20% of which are still held. If you are being genocided, you would do anything possible to end it. Not sadistically hold people starving in dungeons and mock the alleged perpetrators. You wont find a single genocide in history comparable to this...because it isnt genocide. And because it isnt genocide, any source claiming that it is, is automatically unreliable for the topic. I know I am shouting at the wind, but it has to be done. Metallurgist (talk) 19:44, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

  WP:NOTFORUM EvansHallBear (talk) 20:03, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose per @Andrew Davidson and @Alsoriano97 on this contentious topic. I believe it is part of the existing Gaza war entry. And despite the nominator's efforts, this comes across as an attempt to shoehorn the earlier UN Commission report, rejected as an ITN entry, into an ITN entry nonetheless. Otherwise, why has the ITN entry for the Gaza war been viewed as sufficient until now, but now it supposedly needs to be expanded? Coining (talk) 03:29, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

Posted in ongoing

Based on the discussion above, I have changed the entry in "ongoing" from "Gaza war (timeline)" to "Gaza war (timeline · genocide)". There is now rough consensus for this later proposal, which takes into account the earlier concerns of a redundancy to the "ongoing" entry. Also, a recent RFC resulted in consensus to present this genocide as a fact in Wikipedia's voice, an editorial choice about which I myself have no opinion, but which seems to me to override the remaining concerns of non-neutrality. Sandstein 20:20, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• Post-posting support Support per Amakaru’s statement. Many genocide scholars are calling this a genocide.-TenorTwelve (talk) 21:46, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

Sandstein, it seems you haven't issued the credits yet. Schwede66 04:25, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

I don‘t do credits. Sandstein 05:28, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

? Schwede66 23:48, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

Crediting nominator and contributors via user talk messages is strictly optional. Masem (t) 13:36, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

I dare say it is, but IMHO refusing to do so seems unnecessarily petty and gives the impression that admins are aloof from the rest of the community. From what I gather, getting those credits actually means a lot to some of our contributors, and it typically takes less than 30 seconds to do it using the precooked links in the template...  — Amakuru (talk) 13:43, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose per all above. ^EF⁵ 13:18, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

September 19

Portal:Current events/2025 September 19

September 19, 2025 (2025-09-19) (Friday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

• Gaza war
  • 2025 Gaza City offensive
    • At least 43 Palestinians are killed from Israeli attacks across the Gaza Strip, including 26 people in Gaza City. (Al Jazeera)
• Sudanese civil war
  • Siege of El Fasher
    • The Rapid Support Forces attacks a mosque at an internal displacement camp with a drone strike near El Fasher, North Darfur, killing 75 people. (DW)
• Insurgency in Manipur
  • Two Assam Rifles personnel are killed and five Assam Rifles personnel are injured in an ambush by People's Liberation Army of Manipur militants in Bishnupur, Manipur.

(NDTV)

• Insurgency in Southeastern Nigeria
  • At least 11 police officers are killed in an ambush by armed assailants in Benue State, Nigeria. (The Street Journal)

Arts and culture

• Canada bans the Irish band Kneecap from entering the country, citing statements and alleged links to designated terrorist groups. (BBC News)

Health and environment

• COVID-19 in the United States
  • The United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC's) Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices unanimously votes to abandon its recommendation for the COVID-19 vaccine and now recommends that Americans get the vaccine based on their personal choice. In a separate vote, the committee votes for the CDC to communicate clear risks about COVID-19 vaccines. (ABC News)

Disasters and accidents

• Three workers are killed in an explosion at a silo operated by waste management company Ecopartenope near Caserta, Italy. (AP)

International relations

• Estonia–Russia relations, Russia–NATO relations, Violations of non-combatant airspaces during the Russian invasion of Ukraine
  • Estonia summons Russia's chargé d'affaires after three Russian MiG-31 fighter jets enter its airspace near Vaindloo unauthorized, prompting a NATO response from Italian Air Force F-35s. (AP)
• International sanctions against Iran, Snapback mechanism of sanctions against Iran
  • The United Nations Security Council (UNSC) convenes to vote on a draft resolution concerning the snapback of sanctions on Iran. Nine UNSC countries voted against lifting Iran sanctions, four in favor. (AP)
• France–Mali relations
  • France suspends its joint counterterrorism agreements with the Mali government over the arrest of a French citizen. According to the Mali officials, the French citizen was taken into custody for their alleged involvement in a purported coup plot. Also in response to the arrest, two Mali diplomats are expelled from an embassy in Paris by French authorities. (Al Jazeera)
• Ireland–United Kingdom relations
  • Ireland and the United Kingdom agree to replace the Northern Ireland Legacy Act with new laws that will establish investigative bodies to address killings during The Troubles. (UPI)
• Morocco becomes the 60th UN member state to ratify the High Seas Treaty, allowing it to enter into force in January 2026. (AP)

Law and crime

• Aftermath of World War II
  • World War II bomb disposal in Europe
    • Around 10,000 people are ordered to evacuate after authorities discover two pieces of World War II-era unexploded ordnance in Berlin, Germany, one in the Spree River near Mitte and another in Spandau. (DW)
• Detention of Barbie and Peter Reynolds
  • British couple Peter and Barbie Reynolds are freed in Afghanistan after being detained by the Taliban for 8 months. (Reuters)
• Chinese journalist Zhang Zhan, previously jailed for reporting on the early COVID-19 outbreak in Wuhan, is sentenced to an additional four years in prison on charges of picking quarrels and provoking trouble. (Reuters)
• Palestinian authorities arrest Hicham Harb, a suspect in the 1982 Chez Jo Goldenberg restaurant attack in Paris that killed six people, after France issued an Interpol notice. (AFP via France 24)

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RD: Óscar Almaraz Smer

Article: Óscar Almaraz Smer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Universal
Credits:

• Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Mexican politician Mooonswimmer 23:49, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article quality is sufficient. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:57, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
• Comment A bit thin on details regarding his tenures. Curbon7 (talk) 23:51, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

  Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find much beyond routine statements and the policy proposals I just added two sentences on. Mooonswimmer 01:43, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: Abdi Baleta

Article: Abdi Baleta (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KOHA
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Albanian politician, article just created, fully sourced. Mooonswimmer 03:25, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: Mike Wofford

Article: Mike Wofford (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): San Diego Union-Tribune
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by T. Anthony (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 2a02:8434:b407:5901:488:a93f:662b:a182 (talk · give credit) and PendejoAkahata (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American jazz pianist and composer. I've brought the article body to standard, though of course, like many musical RDs, there are issues with the discography sourcing. — Knightoftheswords 03:06, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: Bryan Kneale

Article: Bryan Kneale (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Angmering (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Umutdyb (talk · give credit) and Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Manx sculptor. Article seems fine, though an infobox would be nice. — Knightoftheswords 01:00, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: Julieta Norma Fierro Gossman

Article: Julieta Norma Fierro Gossman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Mexico Desconocido
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Nick Number (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 2806:2a0:107:eaf:2d69:57d4:f2af:4b34 (talk · give credit), 98.154.97.66 (talk · give credit), Balaenicactus (talk · give credit), Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Mexican astrophysicist. Article seems in good shape — Knightoftheswords 00:57, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

RD/Blurb: Zubeen Garg

Article: Zubeen Garg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Indian singer and actor Zubeen Garg (pictured) dies at the age of 52. (Post)
News source(s): Firstpost News.az
Credits:

• Nominated by BengalMC (talk · give credit)
• Updated by QalasQalas (talk · give credit), Fylindfotberserk (talk · give credit) and Dagoofybloke (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

• Oppose blurb, neutral on RD - article does not show how he was transformative or influential in his field. Not sure on the reliability of Firstpost. ^EF⁵ 12:41, 19 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb, support RD While i agree that he isn't much influental singer as many of UK or US ones, the posting as RD looks sufficient at least. It also confirmed at Times of India. 182.1.232.72 (talk) 12:49, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

since the article is being heavily edited rn, im pretty sure that eventually new sources will form talking about his journey and influence BengalMC (talk) 12:51, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Edited the nomination to be in line with the rest. 5.57.242.223 (talk) 13:20, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

• Not ready, filmography largely unreferenced. Spotted several uncited statements which I've marked. Once fixed, I support RD only. 5.57.242.223 (talk) 13:37, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

• Comment If this is to be blurbed, there needs to be a significant amount of reasons why he was considered a major figure (accidental death from scuba diving, I don't makes "death as the story" here). The sources that I am seeing about his death, even though there are tributes made, aren't the same type of level I'd expect for a major entertainment figure, but I could be wrong. Masem (t) 13:44, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

  Zubeen Garg was like a big figure in Both Bengal and Assam, an entire generation (Including me) grew up listening to his song on Television. From what I know, he was such a big deal in Assam that an entire bridge, and statue was made in his name BengalMC (talk) 13:52, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

  I do see that in the sources, but we don't the idea of a major figure simply on fame or popularity. We're not looking necessarily at internataion or national significance but I feel from what I read in these obit sources that he's recognized across India but that's mainly a popularity thing, he didn't, for example, transform the Indian music industry or similar scale of significance. Masem (t) 13:56, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

  So, if you see current all Assamese news everything is abt the memory of Zubeen Garg and etc.

  He transformed the Assamese music scene with a lot of people that I personally know + more saying that he was the major successor to Bhupen Hazarika and right now there is no one to success him other than maybe Papon but he is mainly focusing on Bollywood and other parts of music other than Assamese music so he (Late Garg) definitely does deserve the spot.

  Right now there were lakhs (tens of thousands) of people following the ambulance carrying the body of Late Garg and just for touching the ambulance people were pushing and fighting around so you can really see the impact that he has made.

  If you look at recent visuals the amount of gamusas (basically symbolic cloth that shows that a person is very respected) on the ambulance maybe in the thousands (I'm not sure).

  I won't elaborate on the cultural significance as I was born in a different generation(Gen Alpha) but I still deeply respect him and right now every one in the Assamese community is saying we should never forget Zubeen Garg, with a bunch of people even crying and even I ws even though I was born in Gen A.

  I rest my case. Gyaan is smart (talk) 08:00, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  I forgot to say that the "Legacy" section of the article doesn't even mention the actual impact which I will 100% in the future be elaborating on but not rn because of my exams. Gyaan is smart (talk) 08:02, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb, Oppose RD on quality. Not really seeing any evidence of being transformative in his field or having a worldwide impact. The article currently has tagged sections and CN tags so is not ready at the moment for RD. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:49, 19 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb. This person knew some 40 languages, which in India is a remarkable feat in itself, and was famous in India, the world's most-populated country as well as the most-populated country where English (the language of this encyclopedia) is a lingua franca. I attest that the notability is sufficient for a direct main page posting. (~AH1) 23.128.224.65 (talk) 17:37, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

  Be that as it may, the article doesn’t establish how influential he was or the impact he had on his industry. The legacy section is small and doesn’t really show how

  impactful he was. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:40, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Blurb, Support RD on notability. Not significant or transformative enough for a blurb. Dr Fell (talk) 17:44, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

  So, if you see current all Assamese news everything is abt the memory of Zubeen Garg and etc.

  He transformed the Assamese music scene with a lot of people that I personally know + more saying that he was the major successor to Bhupen Hazarika and right now there is no one to success him other than maybe Papon but he is mainly focusing on Bollywood and other parts of music other than Assamese music so he (Late Garg) definitely does deserve the spot.

  Right now there were lakhs (tens of thousands) of people following the ambulance carrying the body of Late Garg and just for touching the ambulance people were pushing and fighting around so you can really see the impact that he has made.

  If you look at recent visuals the amount of gamusas (basically symbolic cloth that shows that a person is very respected) on the ambulance maybe in the thousands (I'm not sure).

  I won't elaborate on the cultural significance as I was born in a different generation(Gen Alpha) but I still deeply respect him and right now every one in the Assamese community is saying we should never forget Zubeen Garg, with a bunch of people even crying and even I ws even though I was born in Gen A. And also the actual mourning maybe large than Bhupen Hazarika's period itself.

  I rest my case. Gyaan is smart (talk) 08:04, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  "All Assamese news" and "the Assamese music scene" being the keys here. The heuristic I'm applying is: Would this be front-page news on CNN or the New York Times or El Pais? No. Are enough users interested in this story to afford it a one-click link from the homepage? No. Even the BBC, which tends to afford undue attention to less-notable subcontinental topics, didn't prominently feature this nor did they send me a push notification breaking the news of his death. Dr Fell (talk) 03:32, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

  your original post was about notability of course he wouldn't be on BBC or El Pais because he didn't transform the music scene there.

  As an Assamese myself I would say he was probably one of the singers that transformed the Assamese music genre from old and slow to the modern fast to medium pace style now.

  Point is, if he had done the same, being born in another country, transforming the music scene so largely like this of course he would've been headlined.

  Just because you don't know the culture in Assam please don't say he "Isn't notable enough" no offense to you too as I don't imagine your from the northeast of India or India itself.

  Another point is almost all the chief ministers of the states of northeast India came to Garg's funeral

  Will definitely be making a separate article for his funeral in the coming days.(I have exams, I'm a kid OK?) Gyaan is smart (talk) 13:29, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

  Just because you don't know the culture in Assam please don't say he "Isn't notable enough" no offense to you too as I don't imagine your from the northeast of India or India itself.

  Another point is almost all the chief ministers of the states of northeast India came to Garg's funeral

  While I probably wouldn’t have put it in as harsh terms as Dr Fell did, all this indicates to me is that his notability wasn’t even national, but regional, which really doesn’t help the case for a blurb. I also caution you against bludgeoning the discussion - commenting repeatedly won’t sway people. The Kip ^(contribs) 14:05, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

  my bad I am just really shocked at the time of his death I have calmed down now and theres also a controversy now abt his death maybe being a murder by his manager my bad to Dr. Fell Gyaan is smart (talk) 11:01, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

  BBC made a news about zubeen garg: Zubeen Garg: Fans gather in large numbers to mourn iconic Indian singer BengalMC (talk) 03:05, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

• oppose, article has too many verification issues. Gaismagorm (talk) 19:09, 19 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support as RD. --QalasQalas (talk) 20:48, 19 September 2025 (UTC)
• Strong oppose blurb for the usual reasons. We cannot be posting to ITN every time an elderly person who used to be famous dies. This is why we have recent deaths. –DMartin 17:02, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  Neutral on RD in case that wasn’t clear. –DMartin 18:49, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  Not an elderly person (52)

  Was at the time still the ost popular living assamese Gyaan is smart (talk) 13:15, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support RD, Oppose Blurb I supported Liam Payne for a blurb as there the circumstances of the death itself received headline coverage but it wasn't ultimately blurbed AFAIK. While the death here is unusual, the death is not the story here. We then turn to the "transforming" criteria, the figure is certainly notable in the Assam region of India (and Assamese music broadly) but for ITN we have to look for significance beyond the regional level which hasn't been evidenced here. A similar nom that I remember was of KK (singer) where the death was the story but it wasn't ultimately blurbed either. So, I oppose a blurb here though an RD is perfectly fine, all basic criteria are met for that. Gotitbro (talk) 17:13, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  Just because Liam Payne and KK didn't get featured, doesn't mean Garg shouldn't. Correct our mistakes instead of just equalling both and saying "Oh this was the outcome so it should always be the same."

  100% Payne should've been on the Blurb but he didn't I have no idea why.

  KK was a bit less renowned. 100% he was a household name but not as much transformative.

  On the national level (as you've given)-

  • Bridging Regional and National Music
    • Zubeen Garg brought the sound and cultural identity of Assam and the Northeast into the Indian mainstream.
    • His Bollywood breakout with Ya Ali (2006) made him a household name across India, showing that an Assamese artist could dominate the Hindi film industry’s music scene.
  • Representation of the Northeast in Popular Culture
    • At a time when the Northeast often felt culturally invisible in mainstream Indian media, Garg’s success gave the region a visible face.
    • He became a symbol of pride for Northeastern youth, proving their voices could resonate nationwide.
  • Versatility Across Languages
    • He recorded songs in more than 20 Indian languages, including Hindi, Assamese, Bengali, Tamil, Telugu, and Marathi.
    • This multilingual reach broke linguistic barriers and allowed him to connect with diverse Indian audiences.
  • Influence on Indian Pop and Indie Scenes
    • Long before independent music became trendy in India, Garg was producing and performing outside the Bollywood system.
    • His blend of folk, rock, and modern sounds helped shape the Indian pop music landscape.
  • Cultural Integration Through Music
    • By mixing Assamese folk instruments and melodies with contemporary styles, he introduced Indian audiences to new textures and traditions.
    • His work played a role in broadening the definition of “Indian music” beyond Bollywood’s center.
  • Activism and Social Voice
    • Nationally, he was also noted for lending his voice to issues like environmentalism, regional identity, and social justice.
    • This made him not just a singer but a cultural figure who pushed conversations at a larger Indian level

  No offense but I really think not having him on it is like not having the death of Charlie Kirk on the front page of the NY times. THATS how transformative he was Gyaan is smart (talk) 13:37, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

  All of that would need to be clearly summarized with reliable sources on the article if those are just your arguments, that gives no persuasion that we'd need to see how reliable sources considered him Masem (t) 14:02, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

  will definately be expanding on the article and maybe making another page for his death.

  My bad Gyaan is smart (talk) 11:04, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose RD on quality as article is orange-tagged. Oppose blurb on notability per above. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:23, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) Saudi Arabia and Pakistan defence pact

Article: Strategic Mutual Defense Agreement (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Saudi Arabia and Pakistan signed a defense agreement under which aggression against either would be considered against both. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, Bloomberg, CNN, DW, Reuters, WSJ, AP, FT
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
• Created by Noorhorse (talk · give credit)

 Ainty Painty (talk) 03:42, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Such pacts are extremely common, and doesn't significantly change the politics in the area. Masem (t) 03:56, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

  I'm not convinced this should be posted, but I'll play devil's advocate:

  International agreements of various sorts frequently get signed, including partnership agreements, but just how common are actual mutual defense pacts of this sort? The article Defense pact only lists five after 1992, with this being one of them. It's possible that the list is incomplete, but that doesn't seem "extremely common". 98.170.164.88 (talk) 04:34, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

• Comment This is similar to the Australia/PNG pact in that it extends and formalises existing close relations. And it's being made public to deter potential aggressors. The specific trigger seems to be the recent Israeli strike on Doha which the US did nothing about. The target article doesn't comment on the weakening of US credibility as a security guarantor in the region – a point which appears in the sources. Such implications and ramifications take time to work out in practice so, like the Australia/PNG case, I'm not sure we should headline this as a big announcement. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:27, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

  Why would the US do anything? Are you forgetting that it went into Pakistan and killed Osama bin Laden? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:59, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  The US has a significant presence at the Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar. Its passive acceptance of a raid on this territory tells Qatar and its neighbours that they can't rely on US protection. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:36, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose per Masem. 5.57.242.223 (talk) 08:45, 19 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support - This is the creation of a new nuclear umbrella.[3] I don't really know what could be bigger news in international relations. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 13:21, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

  That's a good point User:Bzweebl. The more I think about it, it's hard for me to think of a similar agreement outside of NATO in the 1940s and the Warsaw Pact in the 1950s. Any further thoughts User:Masem? This easily theoretically puts Pakistani nuclear missiles in the range of parts of NATO - not to mention the entire Middle East, not just the eastern Persian Gulf. Nfitz (talk) 21:52, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

  For one, the article has none of the specifics of the agreement in it, so it is impossible to tell what the significance is. Also, generally such agreements need ratification by the legislative bodies of the signing nations before it can be realized. Masem (t) 23:46, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support Oppose - shouldn't it be the summit that's in the ITN? Not the treaty signed by two attending powers? There's always treaties of some kind being signed at such events. I don't even see this mentioned in the article on the summit. Nfitz (talk) 14:15, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

Changing to support - I've been convinced that this isn't a routine agreement, given the inclusion of nuclear weapons. Nfitz (talk) 03:58, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

• Which summit? The 2025 Arab–Islamic extraordinary summit? Or the state visit of the Pakistani PM to Saudi Arabia? Andrew🐉(talk) 16:23, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

  The extraordinary one. It's the same tour by the PM, and they were both in Doha for the summit, a stones throw from Saudi. Nfitz (talk) 21:43, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

• Strong support. Given that a recent war just happened with one of these two countries, the current and potential significance of this alliance is rather high. 23.128.224.65 (talk) 17:39, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

  Both countries are involved in ongoing conflicts including the Yemen, Balochistan, Kashmir and the NW Frontier. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:51, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

  Recent being 1971? There's been conflict along the 1949 cease-fire line for (2025-1949 =) over 75 years. I can see how there might be a case made - but this is not it. Nfitz (talk) 21:38, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

• Strong support Every international defense agreement/pact/treaty should be posted (why wasn't the North Korean–Russian Treaty on Comprehensive Strategic Partnership posted?). ArionStar (talk) 03:55, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

  While I agree with the posting here, disagree with "Every international defense agreement/pact/treaty should be posted". Not each one of these might be significant and we will have to decide the merits on a case by case basis. The siginificance here comes from the impact of nuclear weapons, other cases may lack such lynchpin factors. Gotitbro (talk) 17:21, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support I think this differs from the Australia/PNG pact in that it was actually signed. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:02, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support I was initially ambivalent, but after thinking about it, I would probably support posting any new mutual defense pact. This one seems to be significant on its own merits. Both countries are major regional powers with various entanglements and tensions. Furthermore, as Bzweebl pointed out, Pakistan will apparently be extending its nuclear umbrella to Saudi Arabia (source: [4]). 98.170.164.88 (talk) 03:29, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
• Posted But under 17 September, i.e. the day it was signed. Schwede66 08:23, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
• Pull due to quality: article is orange-tagged and in need of cleanup. –DMartin 17:00, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Detention and deportation of American citizens in the second Trump administration

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Article: Detention and deportation of American citizens in the second Trump administration (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Among ongoing detentions and deportations of American citizens in the second Trump administration, fifteen New York State elected officials are mass arrested in New York City. (Post)
News source(s): Wired, New York Times
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Very Polite Person (talk · give credit)
• Created by Remember (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This is an ongoing story in the news that just keeps going and getting worse; just look at the history here of the full article. This new development, I just saw in the news. This is a huge escalation of things it seems in US politics after the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Please look here for the particular new development: Detention and deportation of American citizens in the second Trump administration#Mass arrest of New York officials by ICE (15). Thanks. — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 03:17, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support The mass arrest of state officials is unusual and notable. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:26, 19 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose This is not the first time that state officials have been arrested in trying to check up on detained immigrants held in ICE centers (last time they were only held for a few hours or overnight, so it was just for show). Its also far from the biggest news related to US politics right now, that being the attack on the First Amendment via the cancellation of Jimmy Kimmel's show (which I'm not suggesting should be posted because its US politics and of NTRUMP). Masem (t) 03:55, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

I was surprised that no one nominated the cancellation of Jimmy Kimmel's show. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:28, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

We should say "suspension," not "cancellation," at least as far as we know so far, for accuracy's sake, right? Ryan Reeder (talk) 04:48, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

Its a news story but not really yet at the stage of being an encyclopedic article because what's happened after rests on a whole bunch of hypotheticals, opinions, and informed analysis. Many possible ends of this story would just be fizzling out of the news, while some I can see as potentially being far more encyclopedic and ITN worthy. That's the difficulty with most stories that involve politics, there's no clear endpoint to say if it is really significant from the long-term, encyclopedic view compared with the short-term, daily coverage and endless talking heads of the media. Masem (t) 05:05, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

STRONGEST OPPOSE per Masem. 64.114 etc 15:03, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose The New York Times article makes clear this isn't a "mass arrest" so much as a political stunt. Brad Lander, one of those arrested, used this same tactic in June with the same result. The blurb is inaccurate, and arrests of trespassers in federal buildings is not notable. Dr Fell (talk) 04:05, 19 September 2025 (UTC)
• Ongoing The nomination says that this is an ongoing story and they are right. So, this should be an ongoing nomination. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:30, 19 September 2025 (UTC)
• Re Charlie Kirk': since his blurb was bumped off ITN, shouldn't he appear in RD? 188.27.82.108 (talk) 07:16, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

You can bring this up on WP:ERRORS. 5.57.242.223 (talk) 08:39, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

No, it shouldn't. This is how ITN works. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:14, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

Oppose per Masem. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:02, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose The page reads too much like original research - as if it's trying to make a point. Still, I don't see it being particularly noteworthy - this kind of abuse isn't unusual in flawed democracies like that one. If we had an ongoing for every individual country where stuff happens, we'd have 100+ ongoings. I'm surprised the article hasn't gone to AfD to tell the truth. Nfitz (talk) 14:10, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

  That article demonstrates a lot of the NOTNEWS problem on WP (editors trying to document every tiny event in some fashion than the big picture), as well as a RGW-type problem (along the lines of "we have to document these improper arrests made by this admin to show how bad it is"). Masem (t) 14:22, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose big news, but domestic news. It doesn't have that much of a big impact. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 16:15, 19 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose *Yawn*, not another domestic-based WP:ITNTRUMP nomination. Doesn't have a worldwide impact. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:19, 19 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose I feel like Trumpet has already tried that this year. CREditzWiki (Talk to me!!) 16:51, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

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